Winter 21/22 Eviction Ban (was: And just like that, FFFG lose 298000 votes))

SharkMX · 03-11-2023 12:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121318630#Comment_121318630

Im one of those who had to move out. It was a friends house who is now living abroad. He said the eviction ban was the catalyst that made him decide to sell. He was very apologetic, but at the end of the day he was only doing what is right for him, while he still can.

ballyharpat · 03-11-2023 1:49pm

What that figure doesn't take into account , is that there is mainly only one NOT issued to each property, while many of the properties would have 3+ tenants renting a room each in the property. For single adults, the outlook is very grim. First they removed bedsits, which were a great way for single adults to have their own space and not have to live at home, now this seems to be the final nail in the coffin.

Not sure how this can be fixed now. This is really bleak. The price of properties , especially over the last 12-18 months, along with more legislation, has removed the chances of anyone buying a property to rent out anymore.

antoneyz · 05-11-2023 3:01am

Thought reducing the period of business operations had gone with all the other restrictions of the past. There are people. Plenty of people who through the randomness of life need to rent all year round. Open the market. Completely. Only then will we have this "Progressive Republic". A people who consent to their neighbours sleeping on the street is a long way from equal.

bluedex · 08-11-2023 1:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121319530#Comment_121319530

Removing bedsits ..sigh.. what a braindead move. Sometimes I wonder about the people making these type of decisions in Ireland.

DubCount · 08-11-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121341175#Comment_121341175

To be fair, I think the decision was made at a time when supply was not an issue in the market and rents were not that expensive, and the intention was to improve standards for people. In retrospect, its been a disaster when the current housing supply issues and rent price issues have surfaced. I dont recall anyone taking about rental supply or rental costs when the decision was made.

I'd argue the lack of legislation to protect landlords from overholding and anti-social tenants has done more damage to the rental market than bedsits. Thats still current policy for both government and opposition. For me that's more braindead than a decision on bedsits that must be viewed in the context of a time when the decision was made.

arctictree · 09-11-2023 12:18pm

This government has destroyed rentals in this country. 3 things:

Over regulation

Over Taxation

Under Enforcement

Addressing any of the above would require a government that shows leadership

bluedex · 09-11-2023 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342290#Comment_121342290

Yeah that's fair enough.

A ban on bedsits is still in place now though? It should be rethought. It might not do anything in the short term but it certainly won't make things worse.

ednwireland · 09-11-2023 3:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342290#Comment_121342290

they would have been better make sure bedsits were meeting standards.

instead councils allowed certain landlords to have multiple occupancy houses which met no standards

PeadarCo · 09-11-2023 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346339#Comment_121346339

In some house shares tenants rent the room directly off the landlord(who is not resident). They share a kitchen/toliets etc. Now where exactly people in this situation stand legally I don't know. But this situation looks very much like a bedsit.

But one constant throughout the housing crisis is that regulations are not very well enforced to the detriment of good tenants and landlords. So it doesn't look like much has changed.

Bass Reeves · 10-11-2023 9:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346339#Comment_121346339

What they did was bring in standards for bedsits, now the standards while commendible were onerous. Those pushing the agenda failed to understand the market that existed. Bedsits were mainly used by men in the 40+ age group who had different social issues mainly mental health, alcohol and light drug dependency. They wanted cheap cheerless accomodation. These people no longer wanted to share accomodation and in general neither did the general population want to share with them. You would not have them in a rent a room. The great and good did surveys of this subset and they indicated that they would like standards. What they never asked was could they afford it. The LL mainly collected the rent from them every week as these individuals can seldom manage a monthly rental.

When the new rules were enacted LL faced serious investment as in complete refurbishment of he property. Actually many LL highlighted the issue that it would be unviable so mass evictions happened but because there was surplus accomodation around homelessness did not seriously esculate because of it. The new rules did not just increase standards it required all flats to have there own toilet, shower and cooking faculities and required all to be adequately separated. This is an article from the time.

https://www.thejournal.ie/bedsit-rental-prices-779134-Feb2013/#:~:text=the%20new%20standards.-,Rental%20properties%20are%20now%20required%20to%20have%20separate%20bathrooms%2C%20independently,and%20access%20to%20laundry%20facilities.

Most of the houses used as bedsits were old georgian 3 or 4 stories often with basements. these were totally unsitable to be converted to separate single bedroom apartments so any that were converted were generally chanded where a complete floor was a new multi bed apartment. as one person post at the time this is the accomodation hierarchy

Park Bench< Doorway< Bedsit< Flat< Studio< Apartment< Penthouse.. very few people move upards in the accomodation sector eliminating bedsits left this subset with the lower down options it just did not rise its head for a few years

L1011 · 10-11-2023 9:19am

Bedsits of sorts are returning as unregulated HMOs - any larger, older semi D with room for the max authorised development extension that has been sold near me in the past three or four years is one. Throw a larger kitchen and laundry room in the extension, convert all other rooms to en suites and rent by the room.

Would take decades to get up to the levels of bedsits that existed, and they're not vaguely in the same area.

Causing absolute mayhem for parking as many of them now have 7+ rooms with a car or more per room; and a double driveway at best.

SharkMX · 10-11-2023 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346277#Comment_121346277

Makes no difference now. Nobody is going to buy bedsits to rent if they undo the ban because the next breeze blows past the ministers ears and they will be banned again.

Bass Reeves · 10-11-2023 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349687#Comment_121349687

Actually saw similar to that in Rathmines two and a half years ago. Targeted at mainly female FN's working in IT or healthcare. Rent was similar to a house share. These were fairly newly build, LL had a no visitors rules, my son was shocked you had to notify him if you had someone staying over. A dedicated laundry room 2-3 commercial washers and dryers. Kitchen area was handy enough with 2-3 fridges freezers. Straight off the street I to it

Winter 21/22 Eviction Ban (was: And just like that, FFFG lose 298000 votes))

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