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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 839 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    Yes.

    But I fear the horse has bolted.

    For a very long time, those who urged caution and predicted the problems down stream were ignored, ridiculed, insulted and labeled "far right" by (well intentioned) idiots.

    The chickens are now, (just starting) to come home to roost.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Funny how most the country (and 100% media) chastised the people of Inch, Clare at the time. Glad to see the tables have turned. Wouldn't be long before every village in the country were "right wing fascists" ... RTE never think "maybe we're wrong"



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,715 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Several EU countries including Germany and Italy have now decided they need to act alone in spite of Brussels on uncontrolled mass immigration.

    Ireland needs to do the same imo. If others take action to secure their borders and we don't we just become an even bigger doormat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What about the people of East Wall who were ridiculed and labeled as racists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    In general, even outside this topic, shouldn't we be looking on the NGO influence on government policy?

    The NGO spending by government is insane, along with their influence and taking court cases for illegal immigrants, this needs to stop. This is our tax payers money used against us.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I don’t think it has.


    Cant see much changing to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 839 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    Quite right.

    A comprehensive review of Government expediture on NGOs is long overdue.

    They have created a monster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Speaking of the East Wall, did they ever catch that lunatic who drove through the protesters ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Never heard of anyone being arrested or anything like that. Sure some folks were hailing that person as a hero such was the way the people of East Wall were portrayed as racist scumbags by politicians and the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The part where Cahill talks about "homeless families being thrown out onto the streets of Cashel to accommodate refugees" is total BS. If you read this other article, there are no homeless families currently in that hostel and only four actual homeless people (and meanwhile, no decision has been made at all about future use of the hostel).




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    And what happens when an Irish family does become homeless . Tell them sorry there is no accommodation because we're full .

    Fair play to the locals, about time people started standing against this.

    Buses and Buses of young males, where are these families seeking asylum and refuge. Because all I can see is Buses of young men stepping of Buses like an 18 to 30 holiday. Total joke



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    It wasnt bs

    people that were staying there were staying there on weekly basis. But they wouldn’t be able to stay any more as it was being repurposed for International protection applicants.

    The owner confirmed this on an interview on Monday with Tippfm. I was listening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    They have to be accommodated somewhere, it just won't be there. Would need massive investment and changes to stop this, which won't happen



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    The NGOs are a branch of government cloaked as independent. Most of their funding comes from Govt with some private funding as cover. Bit like RTE. When u see a debate on RTE with a Govt Minister, a NGO talking head all moderated by a RTE journalist...they are all part of the same team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No massive investment needed. Just stop taking in mostly young undocumented men in designer clothes would be a start. Amazes me the style of these young men who are apparently fleeing so quickly they haven't time to take their I'd. I think even the dogs in the street know now it's all about money nothing to do with asylum or persecution for most of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Ah now, introducing facts into the discussion? How very "far right" of you? /s for those that can't see the sarcasm.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    I think we need an NGO/Quango/Tango/"Charities"/Non profits thread.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But if you read the second article, all of this was just proposals to convert the hostel being floated by the Department, who were in discussions with the local Council about it. Talk of local homeless people and homeless families being turfed out onto the street to accommodate refugees was just dog whistle stuff from that TD fella.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Bullshit, it was gonna happen until people stopped it.

    Spin it whatever way you or they want, homeless Irish people wouldn’t have had anywhere else to go because international protection applicants are being housed there because of more money.

    And that would of been a dangerous headline for people to see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    The Ireland of a thousand welcomes and friendly natured honest people is slowly starting to dwindle away. It's been abused and taken advantage of to the point everyone has experienced the impact of this in some aspect of their lives.

    You feel it in the everyday conversations and interactions. The last decade here has drained people of any ounce of good will or respect towards authority, or Irish humour that we are known for. We're all that little bit more impatient, while trying to accept our bit in solving everyone's problems.

    If this uncontrolled movement keeps going followed by increasing acts of violence towards us perpetrated by those the country has tried to help, you'd have to think there will be a blowout moment, an uprising resulting in a serious violent pushback, one where the guards turn a blind eye as they themselves have had enough.

    It's getting closer to a tipping point, any orchestrated movement would receive serious backing if targeted correctly against the current government who've allowed this sh*tshow to happen this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    What you’re describing is a phenomenon that Dr Robert Putnam the US political scientist who wrote “Bowling Alone” after the Coumbine Massacre,noted in his study "E Pluribus Unum - Diversity and Community in the 21st Century."

    In it he notes that:

    immigration and ethnic diversity tend to reduce social solidarity and social capital. New evidence from the US suggests that in ethnically diverse neighbourhoods residents of all races tend to ‘hunker down’. Trust (even of one's own race) is lower, altruism and community cooperation rarer, friends fewer.

    This is also referred to as “conflict theory” first formulated by Harvard social scientist Gordon Allport. Basically it holds that diversity sharpens “us-against-them” inter-ethnic/inter-racial interactions. Putnam's view opposes diversity-influenced public policies.” He was surprised by the results of his work and has jumped through many hoops to try and spin it to be more diversity positive, saying that in the long term everything is going to be just great. This Pollyanna type thinking may have made it easier to get more grants and funding, or maybe not. You can make your own mind up. But there is no evidence of the benefits of this in Europe.

    Putnam first published this in the Journal of Scandinavian Political Studies in 2007. It seems that the Swedish government of the time or subsequent ones didn’t read or agree with it either. 

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    When the change comes it will come from an unexpected quarter, some small action or event out of the blue which will spiral and the msm can't control and that will be the final straw for many



  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭slay55


    Similarly, the ones that are able to drive from Ukraine to Ireland. I would imagine that is quite expensive on petrol /diesel


    arrive here and no questions asked , full speed ahead with all the benefits and handouts !



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,072 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    If the chancers were sorted out from the genuine refugees, it would be a start.

    I've no doubt that a lot of people in Ukraine had long time notions of moving to an EU country, but were held back because of visa problems etc., and as soon as the visa entry requirement was scrapped they couldn't leave Ukraine quick enough, whether they were anywhere near the fighting or not.

    Now of course, there's been a new Ukrainian flow into Ireland, not from Ukraine, but from other countries when they heard about Ireland's generosity and decided to move here instead.

    I think that a lot of people are pi55ed off about the situation, and the government ignoring their concerns.

    And of course, the far right agitators are having a field day with all these extra people to complain about. They might even get a TD or two at the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Leo has commented that people are movimg from safe EU countries to Ireland because kf the benefits here.

    So there will be a change in the benefits I suspect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭riddles


    The mind boggles how slow they move on topics like this which is a genuine crisis. Just cut off all welfare for EU nationals who have no social insurance payments and start clearing out the wastrels. Get some order back on the place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    How would you differentiate between someone who is pi55ed off as you say and someone being far right.

    Before now if you were pi55ed off and mentioned anything about the extra people as you put it you were classed as far right .

    Not as bad now though as more and more people are seeing what these Pi55ed off people were saying is now coming true .



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