Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHJdXr9XCg

Not for the feint hearted but that is absolute scumbaggery, a tent city outside a hosptial and they're just dropping **** in there. If Hamas are underground then what is that type of weapon supposed to do?

The US is no longer unrivalled. China’s economic and military power is rising rapidly and it has allied itself with similarly despotic regimes in Russia, Burma, Iran and North Korea. At the same time, the US is turning inward, riven by political conflict. For Ireland and Europe that could be very bad news over the longer term.

Hamas terrorist caught on video using a human shield for the first time. Looks like quite a few narratives are melting away lately.

@blanch152 @unkel @Igotadose @markodaly

Given all the comentary you guys have made about horrendous acts of Human shields being used in Gaza, here's some evidence you can refer to the next time you post on it.

Where are we up to now on the war crime front ?

Human shields, genocide, dehumanization, blockade of life saving things such as food, energy and medicine, phosphorous bombs, blowing up mosques, schools, churches, hospitals, refugee camps, bakeries, fishing boats, ambulances and a dose of ethnic cleansing.

Here is an official Twitter account tweeting that several global news businesses had journalists embedded with Hamas.

Israeli officials said that these photojournalists would be targeted and eliminated.

This was immediately pointed out as false, including in a response to the tweet.

Here is a correction posted by another account that pushed the narrative.

The last line is worth reading twice given the name of the organization he is working for.

This is all part of the Israeli PR campaign to justify having killed more journalists than on any other conflict since records began being kept 30 years ago.

Shame on them, and those on here who pushed the narrative for them.

Two things can both be wrong. And, if it's on twitter it must be true?

“We think they’re very high, frankly, and it could be that they’re even higher than are being cited,” she says, later adding this is “very possible.”

Assistant Secretary of State Barbara Leaf told a US House panel

All the aid agencies on the ground see nothing that would refute the official Hamas figures. Hamas released 7000 names recently, I'm sure that can be dismissed with evidence if their figures are fake. Like finding someone on the list tweeting after their death etc... so far it hasn't been discredited.

It's very foolish to take at face value, propaganda from either side.

We can however rely on the horrific video evidence coming out of Gaza and on the testament of credible sources in humanitarian agencies.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind but that the IDF under instructions from the Israeli government are engaged in genocide and forcible displacement by violent means of a civilian population.

That’s not Hamas that’s the Israeli army

It’s funny how you use terms like, you need to wake up, you are asleep, you are dreaming.

The US has intervened in foreign countries either militarily or through full scale war, 92 times in less than 20 years, 2000 to 2019. That’s once every 2 and a half months!

US foreign policy has been a litany of failure. There is no way to sugar coat that. The US has been a major cause of instability this century, from invasions, regime change etc. Then when the sh1t hits the fan they abandon the sh1t shows they leave behind just like they will do in Ukraine.

It’s hardly news.

The clue there is next year. A long way away.

This war is now. And the US president is Biden. I realise your desire to mention Trump whenever you can but this isn't about Trump.

There is a belief among some Israelis that Bibi knew something was up but did not know the extent of it. He might have thought - as he has in the past- that whatever was going on he could contain it and use it to his advantage. He turned a blind eye to large cash payments from Qatar to Hamas. There was also a report that he ignored a warning from Egyptian intelligence that Hamas was planning something big. At worst he was criminally negligence or at best grossly incompetent. You will recall he set himself up as Mr Security and dominated Israeli politics on the back of it. He can't have it both ways- the buck stops him.

I was reading that Netanyahu had previously assured the public that such an attack by Hamas was impossible, that Israel's defence and security was rock solid and that a large scale terrorist event was out of the question. This is one of the main reasons the Israeli public are so angry with him.