Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I wonder what the world would be saying if Russia told Ukrainian citizens to flee to Western Ukraine to escape the war zone and then bombed churches in Western Ukraine.

Israel have really pushed themselves into a corner. The whole world knows they have overreacted in terms of the disproportionate killing of civilians including over 4000 children. Even their staunch allies in the US are begging then to stop the massacres and let in much needed food, water and medical supplies.

two things.

1. Historically the Health Ministry in gaza has provided accurate information.
2. Historically Brietbart lies.

So although we can't be sure about either, the gazan health ministry has been more trustworthy.

IDF spokesman was interviewed by RTE's Drivetime and didn't deny for a moment when it was put to him that many thousands of Gazan civilians had been killed - his line was to say that the killings were justified and necessary in order to bomb Hamas.

It's as if Israel supporters are denying to themselves just how brutal and hardline the actions are, even when the regime is openly admitting it.

Visegrad 24 is often sourced here by pro bombing civilians in Gaza posters . It has been claimed it is a quality source of news. I can’t link to them here but their tweets today are disgusting and racist.

Israel calling off the investigation into rapes carried out on the 7th.

They're not even trying to hide their bias and the fact they are a propaganda outlet. All they do is post pro-Israel stuff and seemingly go trawling the web looking for stories to show Palestinians in bad light. This would be bad enough, but as you say, many of the things they are now posting about Muslim people are openly racist and reprehensible. If they were operating out of Ireland or the UK, they would probably be shut down as a hate channel.

That was the first time I mentioned him on here, and it was entirely appropriate. I didn't even mention him by name but alluded to the fact that he is the GOP forerunner, which he is.

You've been running interference for him for years on this website. Outdide if his own thread, any time he's mentioned, you're straight in there trying to shut it down.

It's very odd.

So where is that authoritative stat. you quote from? It must include every time the US sold a country weapons or something, or perhaps publically sided with one group or other in their internal politics (an "intervention" of sorts I suppose).

I used terms like "you are asleep/dreaming" as regards the trajectory of the world as the US disengages + is consumed with internal problems and the power of likes of China or the various regional dictatorships and autocracies grows, because it is the most polite + benign explanation.

The other option is that you are looking foward to and desire the obvious outcomes ([even] more chaos and violence in the world) despite all the tears shed over civilians in Palestine here.

Hospitals, mosques, schools, refugee camps, journalists and ambulances targeted with over 10000 dead, including over 4000 children. Over a million forcibly moved from their homes. 178 Palestinians killed in the West Bank by settlers and IDF.

I'm going to post this regularly until one of the shills here can give me ONE reason, just ONE, why children's painted plates would so trigger and offend people that they would contact a group of activist lawyers to have them removed.

The official wing of the MAGA lunatics.

Seriously, you've been around these conversations for years and don't know the acronym for one of the two main parties?

The US has been a superpower since about 1900. Super powers come and go. There was both war and peace before 1900 and there will be war and peace as the US declines. You do a bad job of showing a correlation between the US as a superpower and lack of wars.

The US has edit: been a "power" since then perhaps...only a superpower (with Soviets) since the end of WW2 and the sole superpower since collapse of USSR (with latter period now coming to an end as we enter this new multipolar world you and others are happy for). Oh war always existed - ah well that is okay so. On other hand maybe not so okay (!) as weapons humanity has today did not exist back in the 1900s.

I mostly made a prediction, so we have little data as yet. The best comparison period when we get down to looking at correlations (if people are around to do it) will be post Cold War to date, or perhaps end WW2 to date (the USs time as superpower or "hegemon") vs what is coming down the tracks.

(getting back to thread topic somewhat) I actually kind of think the unrestrained way Israel is acting in Gaza is another early fruit of how the world is changing (going "multipolar"). The US control over what they do here may not be quite as great as some think it is. Netanyahu certainly doesn't seem to be paying much attention at all to the Biden admin. + doesn't feel the need to.

'We'

Lol

The problem here, and I find this a particularly disgusting thing to do, is that the Israeli media/IDF took what was already a horrendous thing to happen and exaggerated and facilitated exaggerations because the people that were killed weren't killed in a horrific enough way.

Babies beheaded, not confirmed by any Israeli body yet still repeated by officials, including in the UN. Rapes and sexual assaults, probably true but nowhere near the extent. Babies in ovens and people burned alive, possibly but the IDF were using artillery, air strikes and tanks as part of their defence.

People were murdered, but their murders weren't gruesome enough.