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How do I turn off the mains at my entrance

  • 10-11-2023 2:39pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭


    I spent the past week looking for a cold water shut off valve in my parents home. There's no internal stopcock. There is an external one that I will find some day. I found the mains outside the home.


    I lifted the lid and pulled out the sponge. I saw the blue handle. I didn't turn anything yet because I need to get down on my knees and get closer to see what way I turn it. The blue handle looks very flimsy. What way do I turn the handle?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    Anticlock wise. Make sure there are no appliances using the cold water feed when you do it. When the cold water tap in the kitchen stops then you know you have it off properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    Have they a big hedge? I have an external one inside my wall but no one would ever find it as the hedge planted by the wall has grown thick and practically covered where it is. Only that I know exactly where it is there is not a hope it would be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway


    Is that your own stopcock or the mains?

    I still can't find my external stopcock but I found the mains manhole.

    I will still explore searching for the external stopcock another time.

    The mains manhole was overgrown but not my much thank goodness. I just bashed a shovel into the grassy ditch till I found hard things and did some digging. Found loads of stones and then the manhole cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    My own, when I built the house it was fairly obvious inside the wall but the hedging has now covered it pretty well.

    Don't know where the mains is outside the wall, thankfully have never needed to look for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway


    I am concerned about the external stopcock too because there's a similar situation. Trees were planted when I was small and they are all grown now with roots branching out. The stopcock would be somewhere inside the boundary wall. I don't know where it is. I ahve a general location of it but that's it. Thankfully I found the mains.


    Some weekend whenever I am free I am going to explore my surroundings and find it. The mains is actually in the same area of where the external stopcock is. I suspect the mains is located on the same line. I am going to follow a line from the mains to the outside water supply.


    I'm looking forward to the challenge.

    I will first fix the god damn leak that needs to be fixed.


    I reckon you might be able to find your mains. If you know the general location of your external stopcock, maybe the mains is just beyond that over another point.


    The mains installers must have been using pipe locators-trackers for searching underground because they put the mains into the correct location of where the water was tapped into and brought into the home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway


    I'd say do look for your mains just in case you are ever in a position of needing to turn off the water from the mains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    I can turn it off from inside my own wall, have done many times, simply saying another person would not find it if they didn't know where it was. Had to turn it off few months ago to install extra garden hoses for convenience, family members know were to find it too should I kick the bucket unexpectedly lol

    If I needed to go outside the wall I think I'd be ringing the council rather than messing with their property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭MoonMotorway


    Would I need to contact Irish water to turn off the cold water into my home?


    I know someone who did work on a new kitchen and I don't think he rang the council to turn off his water. It was him who encouraged me to lift the lid of my mains with a screwdriver but he never me ruined phoning the council. I won't be breaking it (I hope).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    I wouldn't be contacting them to turn it off or seek permission to turn off my own water connection but that means the one inside my wall, the one outside on the path or wherever it is isn't my property and I'd be slow to go at it that's all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    OP the sponge you lifted to get access to the stop cock and blue plastic lever are typical of the new water meter stop cocks on the mains.

    You most definitely can turn them off yourself even though it's located in the footpath or at side of the road just outside your boundary wall of your house. The original brass stop cock that was on the pipe before they replaced it with the water meter plastic valve etc was usually in the same place and nothing prevented people from accessing it to turn off water to your house usually for repairs.

    Also the other person who enquire about turning it off without calling the council is not informed properly. You don't need council permission to access it. Although there's usually another one further along the road that is in the middle of the road and would control water for several houses in an area or a separate street in a town and your not allowed to touch this one. Probably get fined for it etc but the one outside your house you can access it yourself with no problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    You don't need council permission to turn off the stop cock on the mains pipe to your house even though the stop cock is just outside your property. It's servicing your house and you can turn it off yourself. Eg in case of emergency you will need to easily access it to turn it off so that's usually why it's on the footpath/just outside your boundary wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    No you don't need to contact Irish water to get permission to turn off the water to your house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    Must have a look! In all the years I've been here I've never noticed where it might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    Well it's a good idea to find it as it's the best way to turn off the water if any leaks in house. Also when you do find it, turn it off and see that it is working. It goes directly to the cold tap in kitchen sink and also up to the tank in attic.

    If it hasn't been turned off in several years it can get stuck/broken and won't turn off even if it turns, as the valve internally is stuck in the on position. Then check if any water comes out of the cold kitchen sink tap.

    If its broken and water still comes out of the cold kitchen sink tap but you've turned it off outside, this is the best way to contact Irish Water and request a repair. They will inform your local council who will come to fix it.

    It's very important that it's working as the day you need to turn off the water in an emergency and it's not working properly and not turning off the water...so best to check now.

    Have a look on footpath outside your house or if you in the countryside and there's no footpath, check carefully the ground outside your house on the road. Lots of times when councils retarmac the roads they accidentally tar over the lid of the water mains. But now with the new water meters installed all over the country you probably have the new meter installed and the lid is a large round one about 6 inches diameter. Then again there's still some houses around the country that the mains water lid is tarmacked over and the contractors for Irish water were unaware of the location of the original stop cock on the water mains to people's houses so these people never got the new water meter installed.

    It could be the same situation with your house. It's worth it to find where your main stop cock is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    Also there usually is no separate mains tap/valve/stop cock externally for your house aswell as the council fitted one. (In your case it's possible that the stop cock was fitted by the council maybe?! And this is their stopcock?!).

    However as you said in your house you do have a separate water mains stop cock in your garden but in most houses including in the countryside there's only the one the council fitted outside your property boundary usually immediately at the side of the road/footpath. I don't know who's telling you that all houses have this separate tap/valve on the mains in conjunction with the council installed one but majority don't as virtually all houses rely on the stop cock the council fitted on the mains pipe to your house and this is always outside the boundary wall of your house either at the side of the road or as another poster said close to the boundary wall etc or under the footpath and mostly has a round lid to access it.

    On the older type brass ones you usually need a special bar to open & close with a type of socket on the end (this bar is about 1 foot long which can be bought in hardware shops - but these valves are being replaced by the new plastic water meters) which you put down through the lid to fit onto the top of the stop cock and turn it off. Or other types are manual and you can put your hand in and turn on & off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium



    Re your comment 'I don't know who's telling you etc' nobody's telling me, I was merely respondong to original poster wondering where their stopcock was and suggesting it could be under hedge like mine is at the moment!

    The one in my garden definitely wasn't fitted by council, if they did it was a very bad job, it is just like a tap basically at the bottom of a bit of pipe, done by the builder at the time and covered over with a paint can lid of all things and a bit of paving slab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    You definitely do not need to contact the council or Irish water before turning off the stopcock on the footpath outside your home. Not sure why you would advise someone to do this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭phormium


    I didn't advise them to contact council or Irish water! Re read the posts, I merely said I, I as in me, would be slow to do it without checking but then again I have an alternative. I'm out now, can't be doing with this! Was merely trying to be helpful in first post suggesting where it could be!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    Phormium apologies for not fact checking first!

    Unfortunately lots of builders do a harmless job as a cover on things etc so your not the only one that experienced this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭embracingLife


    There's usually no external stop cock in the grounds of your house, the water meter one you mentioned is the only one. Unless you know for certain that there is one then again maybe you have been misinformed by some one that there's one?

    But if you are definite there's another separate external stop cock that's fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In older estates it's common to have one stopcock in the footpath serving two houses.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



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