BYD Seal

Are you looking at the AWD or the RWD? I'd imagine I will be the RWD when push comes to shove, excuse the pun.

I agree with you completely, this is a revolution. I do believe the premium brands are happy to stay premium, small volume and exclusive though, as they are tied financially into groups with cheaper options. The move into mainstream by them in early 2000s really diluted their image in my opinion, offering superminis and small crossovers that were never premium was a sad day.

As a BMW driver from my first car in 2004, an e36 318is to my last BMW, an F10 530d and my last ICE car, Audi A6, that the premium cars dont offer much above the mainstream anymore. They used to have the power advantage, still do in many ways but the power advantage is over cars that are already more than fast enough for anyone, you have standard enough EVs doing 0-100 in 6 to 7 seconds now which is quicker than a 520d and in around the same as a 530d or an Audi 3 litre diesel. And performance models around 50k having the performance of M, RS and AMG cars is nothing short of a bargain.

Possibly some more expensive interior coverings but that is about it these days. BMW horrendously ugly now in nearly all models, which saddens me. Was in Frank Keanes yesterday for a look and its a far cry from BMW showrooms of the past, I used to love everything in there back in the day.

Mercs not great looking either and most of their EVs are SUVs. I get thats what people want, but not for me thanks. Audi at least churning out good looking stuff in the near future but their SUVs not great looking.

I much prefer my Cupra to my fathers fat etron, just a better drive overall. Although the etron is a big SUV which is never going to be a drivers car. And the Cupra was exactly half the price. Just as quiet, just as comfortable, way more features than the etron as standard and only about a second slower to 100kmph despite being 200bhp down. Same range from a 58kwh battery as the 90kwh in the etron.

The seal is on my radar big time, going to see one on Saturday afternoon. Only thing is the saloon opening, I do stick the 2 labradors in the boot of the hatchbacks now which is great. May have to stick with hatchbacks for that reason. But should be able to keep the cupra too so maybe not a problem if I like the seal enough.

The BYD Seal U is reportedly coming to Ireland early next year which may be more suitable for you. It has a hatchback boot but looks like a significantly bigger car(Technically a CUV) than the Seal. It may not be priced as competitively as the Seal and then you would be into the territory of just getting an Enyaq/ID4/Model Y

Can someone make a good looking estate please that's reasonable value.

Only decent looking thing I've seen is Audi A6 Avant concept. Probably be 80k.

A seal estate would be superb. Enough of this crossover suv guff

You got me interested there until I looked at it! Does nothing for me .

I don't disagree..

Not really, there's plenty of them for sale from dealers for sub 30k

The Nio ET5? It's a lovely looking estate.

Only this week I went virtual shopping to see what 2/3 year old estates were out there should I consider trading my current one in next year.

Extraordinarily poor offerings unless you want a diesel or a small petrol engine, in fact I'd have been better off spec'ing a new petrol Octavia for myself.

Hi all, all looking good with Seal. Overall, the pricing and the car look good if it delivers on its promises and doesn't end up with faulty bits (I'm thinking of foggy window, electric switches for seats, etc.) or software.

Being picky, €1950 for delivery and service looks crazy. Imagine delivery is €850 (would it be more?) that means €1100 for a service plan of only 2 years. So, 2 services in two years to check moving parts, tyres and the software update at €550 a shot. Wow ! Some eVs don't even have one service in two years.

After the brouhaha (or bruhaha) in Australia, they were looking at less than AUS$300 per service for multiple years on the Atto 3 and relented somewhat to get a Light Usage to less than AUS$200.

Is the "MSL tax" referenced earlier in this thread?

Does the general warranty exclude the infotainment system? That seems weird.

Yes, that the 'MSL tax' rip off - exploiting the low headline prices of BYD to trouser some more cash. I'm not sure if they're doing it with the Seal, but their retail Atto3 price was being displayed as "including delivery, metallic and service pack" - giving the impression that their mark up included a cost for metallic (as with most cars) - but metallic is actually standard! Note BTW that unless I'm very wrong, price from the manufacturer includes delivery to port. Dealers' "delivery" fee just covers dropping it up the road and is essentially almost entirely profit for the dealer.

That's not even an offer!

An Ioniq 5 Executive?

Reckon the dealers could put off by the non-trivial post-sales disappointment of the model and might be a bit gun-shy?

Has anyone noticed if the dashcam hole is in the front of the housing around the rear view mirror? Dashscams provided in China but apparently not anywhere else.

Interesting to see if individuals or an opportunist starts offering a service for installation of a dashcam. I am not allowed to post the link from EcoHouseThailand. Has anyone checked to see if the cabling and microSD slot are on the demo cars?