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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,474 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Completely illegal under international law. A law professor discussed this on the Tonight Show the other evening - even if you suspect a hospital is being used by terrorists or has weapons stored somewhere, it is 100% a war crime to bomb the hospital and to kill doctors and patients.

    Israel regime and its supporters are fully aware of this fact but evidently don't care.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Where is the passage in the relevant law that you seem to be relying on?

    Or are you just relying on this law professor?

    Does he have a name ? Does he argue his position anywhere with an equally qualified colleague who may take a different position?

    You are not just "hearing what you want to hear" ,are you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,559 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Where are the posters who have spent the last several weeks saying that the only step forward was the releasing of hostages held in Gaza?

    Can any of you please tell us why you think Israel apparently inhibited this plan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    And yet no actual footage of Apaches flying in the air among the hours of video recorded that day.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "apparently" being the operative word..We don't know but that doesn't stop us from speculating.,it seems.

    (The article in question is paywalled)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,589 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    "The Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their Optional Protocols of 1977 (the main treaties of International Humanitarian Law – IHL) set a range of minimum standards for the conduct of hostilities. They are based upon the fundamental principle of distinction between civilians and other protected persons, on the one hand, and those who take part in hostilities (combatants for short).

    The term “civilian” refers to individuals or objects (e.g., premises) that do not have a direct role in hostilities (See Rule 5 and Rule 9 of the Study on customary international law by the International Committee of the Red Cross – ICRC). An attack against a civilian person or object is therefore generally a violation of IHL and may constitute a war crime. A person or object can however lose its civilian status if it starts making an effective contribution to military action. It would then become a legitimate military objective (and hence a target) (See Rule 10 of the Study on customary international law by the ICRC). This determination must however be unequivocal: when in doubt as to whether a school or hospital has become a military objective, there is a presumption that it retains its civilian status.

    Even attacks against legitimate military targets must, however, follow two additional principles: 1) the principle of proportionality – whereby an attack that would cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited (See Rule 14 of the Study on customary international law by the ICRC) – and 2) the principle of precaution in attack – which states that constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. All feasible precautions must be taken to avoid, and in any event to minimize, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects (See Rule 15 of the Study on customary international law by the ICRC)."


    So, if there is any doubt that a hospital is just a hospital, and has not entirely become a legitimate military objective, it must be presumed that it is a civilian location and left alone. With unequivical proof being required, and these hospitals demonstrably serving as desperately needed and very much active hospitals, attack on them would be unlawful. And as explained after, even if its status does change, the principle of proportionality would dictate that you don't just bomb a populated hospital, as bombing a hospital in heavy use would not display "precaution in attack", and very actively not be an example of "constant care taken to spare the civilian population"



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I get the feeling the whole Middle East is currently with its worst leaders ever ... a crowd of warmongering tyrants feeding off each other ... Agree 100% that current Iran meaning 2021 to now has the worst regime it ever had ... but Trump, Netanyahu and others like that created it and empowered these hardliners called Paydari ... lead by Ali Khamenei's even worse son Mojtaba ... to take over everything in Iran ... they need to be removed and so too does Netanyahu ... and Trump needs to never ever gain power again ... all this sh*te needs to be cleansed 100% ...

    The Shah's son could be a good leader ... def better than the sh*te that is there ... but what is there is what the powers that be want .... otherwise it would have been removed long ago ... Iran-Contra and all the policies to punish moderate Iranian presidents and crush the reform movements by the West when lead by hardliners like Trump are no coincidences ... this is all a plan that originated to keep communists out and now prospers to justify arms spending and proxy wars ....

    The sad reality is no one in power in the rich world cares about the deaths of people in Gaza or the suffering of women in Iran and Afghanistan ... they only care when the terrorists they create come to bite them back in New York or Paris or London in events like 9/11 and the like ... 22 years on from 9/11 we still have not learned ... only thing learned is far right fanatics in America itself now copy the ISIS and Al Qaeda by storming the Capitol building and driving cars into crowds ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,375 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Omer Bartov, an Israeli-American professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University, [Described by US Holocaust Memorial Museum as "one of the world's leading specialists on the subject of genocide"] joins Mehdi to discuss Israel’s bombardment of Gaza. Bartov tells Mehdi, “I don’t think that what is happening there right now is genocide… but I think it’s very important to stress that the danger of genocide is right there.

    "genocide often begins with ethnic cleansing ... that's what happened in the Holocaust."



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    People get emotional about Israel and Palestine, because unlike all of the other atrocities and civil wars happening around the world, they see their neighbours and politicians actively supporting the other side. You can be damned sure that if it China's treatment of Ughers, or Myanmar's treatment of Royingya were supported in the Western world, people would be up in arms and protesting about that, too.

    It's the perfectly divisive conflict because it is the only one that splits Western countries in opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Mortan


    There wasn't an Israel until 1948.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,375 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    There’s honestly been plenty of links and quotes in this article. A simple google would tell you. Or if you think it may be allowed please provide proof.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,443 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The 'jewish people aren't loyal' is classic blood libel (it's not just crucifixion/matzo-from-babies-blood) stuff anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    UN hires locals to work for UN , who in turn hire locals. You don't get a high paying job in Gaza without Hamas connections.



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Is this exclusive to Palestine or are the UN employing people with despotic and terrorist connections everywhere they work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Its the same in every closed despotic regime. The real question you need to ask yourself is why an area with the population of greater Dublin has 35 public hospitals while here in Ireland the same population is covered by 20. Remember they have a younger healthier population.



  • Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I don't think I need to ask myself that at all to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A few minutes of the recordings were released in the Israeli press, you need to translate the page. Mainly this was from the border fence area.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,500 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Obviously.

    Its worth remembering Hamas arent Israeli, so are therefore not extravagant pos.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    This is just another line in the all Palestinians are terrorists shite



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Never said anything good about Hamas. I've no time for them. The Israeli un ambassador though is little more than a complete and utter scumbag who can resort to nothing but whataboutery.


    They invoke history when it suits them but forget it quickly too



  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    You could have answered this yourself with the some research.

    The largest hospital in Gaza can treat approx 700 people. Although god only knows how many they actually are treating. St James hospital Dublin as an example has over 1,000 beds. Go figure!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭rock22


    As one might expect, the Israel, US and its' close 'vassal' states voted against resolution condemning Israel.

    What is interesting is that , of EU members, Hungary also voted against. ( and I think it was an Hungarian Commissioner who originally suspended aid to Palestine only for his actions to be called out ) . And also Czechia abstained.

    All other EU states seem to have supported the resolution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Malta to table emergency vote at the security council to be held on Sunday, totally shameful it has got to this point

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭Rezident


    UN has failed in its role on the Lebanon border to stop Hizbollah launching rockets at people. Gaza is an even more extremist place and a much tougher job so I don't see how the UN will do much good there either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Israel has launched rockets into Lebanon too. They killed a family in a botched launch during the week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    So the rapes accusations have been dropped, the 40 babies beheaded babies gone and now further proof that the most wanton destruction caused on the day was caused by the IDF. In one way it's not a surprise that an army that's famously trigger happy would be any more restrained with it's own citizens than with the Palestinians. The old "Kill 'em all and lot God sort them out" policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,443 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    War sucks. Maybe Lebanon can stop Hezbollah from launching rockets? Why is Lebanon attacking, anyway?



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