Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

Yep its like what @Mitch Connor said aswell they did 90% of the origin work for a Young Avengers series (maybe keeping Yelena off the board for now if she was gunna be with Thunderbolts). Maybe bringing Kamala in instead depending on her placement after The Marvels.

Yet they went for an Agatha series instead post WandaVision? They've ignored the open goal they created with a Young Avengers lineup.

Similarly they never seem to have given any inkling that Vision is going to do anything again further undermining his "conclusion" in WandaVision. Hell come to think of it, he could have very well served as some kind of senior mentor to the Young Avengers group, maybe exploring his memories/feelings of Tommy and Billy from WV by mentoring these young generation of heroes.

Moon Knight is oft forgotten but was quite good, almost Legion-esque in places. But given that they had already acquired FOX by then, it was definitely a big miss to have an Egyptian based show which lent into gods/legends give no allusions to Apocalypse or his Horsemen. Thats a seed/egg that woulda been used in the first 3 phases.

Instead it was Agatha and WonderMan because.......??

Might have been confusing referencing Apocalypse in Moon Knight considering who previously played him in the X-Men film.

Well they used Evan Peters for an extended dick joke so probably not.

But if not him they could have had "mysterious American Union Uniform from the American Civil War found in an ancient pyramid dated from before the Civil War" on display at the museum (one of the horseman was a confederate soldier), or hieroglyphs of Archangels wings etc) Easter Eggs like that were prevalent in earlier phases as a signpost of the future direction.

The more I think about it, the more I think the earlier poster who suggested bringing back Chris Evans etc back as dark Nazi versions of themselves might be a genuinely fun way to approach a reboot team up of some kind.

But God, they wrote them into corners with certain characters. Eg neighbourhood spiderman becoming impossible by naming Parker as spiderman resulting in stupid spells to reset memories. Slightly smaller worlds would be refreshing. Even accepting the concept of the multiverse leaves them free to do properly standalone stories around characters in certain universes but that doesn't seem to have even been considered.

Tangent completed, it just feels like it's all about figuring out the next big event rather than properly standalone stuff.

There's still scope to tell self-contained stories of various genres and tones within a bigger connected universe. The comics themselves demonstrate this. But they're drunk on cross-selling viewers between all the various movies and shows (also similar to the line-wide events increasingly happening in comic books), using the films as marketing vehicles themselves.

Regarding the multiverse, instead of continually looking at it from the current marvel universe and characters we know from 616(or 199999 or whatever it is), just make films in different universes that are their own story that might have minor references, if any, to the concept of the multiverse.

The audience has had the concept explained enough at this stage so just saying in the promotional material that a certain film isn’t set in the core MCU should be enough.

The current Earth feels overstuffed with heroes as it is, adding mutants and vampires to that makes it less grounded in a real place than it should be.

Blade, X-Men, The Fantastic Four should be their own stories in the own universes that don’t have the baggage of 15 years of continuity, with the characters introduced to our characters for the big Avengers type team up.

Yeah. One of the good things about the first Ant-Man (Apart from Michael Pena) was the fact that it was pretty much its own thing: A comedy heist movie. Minimal interaction with the overarching MCU. Yes, Howard Stark was at the start and Falcon was there but in general, it was its own thing. And it meant you could just WATCH it!

I mean, really, WHY was that girl with her Iron-man suit in Black Panther 2 apart from introducing her for her own series/movie/whatever? WHY didn't they leave Not-John Snow as just Not-John Snow instead of that post credit sequence.... You know the one that WASN'T yer man from One Direction (Jesus). Now we have to watch Captain Marvel, Wandavision and Miss Marvel before watching Marvels? That's 20 hours of programming.

Do we REALLY want Blade to fight Jared Leto or to trade quips with Star Lord? Or have some Family Guy-esque tangential reference like "Wow, I haven't seen THIS many dead bodies since Iron-Man 5: The Quest for Peace"

the original release date for this movie was a year (ish) before secret invasion... not a big mystery.

The after credit scene was up on Youtube so I'm good until this shows up on Disney+ an maybe not even then depending on the general response.

For Deadpool, depending on how much Wolverine is in it, I can see it just being them enjoying themselves with the plot a secondary thing. So could be a fun watch or could be all over the place. But I think they're both professional enough to want to make it as good as they can.

Not surprised by what I've seen review wise. Looks like a pretty bad movie by all accounts. I'm going to not go and see it.

If I'm depressed and hating myself enough I might give it a watch on Disney +.

P.S I see they were giving out free alcoholic beverages at the press screenings...

Edit: meant to put in The Marvels thread.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-the-marvels-1235599363/

The Marvels is shaping up to be the lowest domestic opening ever for a Disney Marvel Cinematic Universe title, with a 3-day swing of $47M-$55M. That’s lower than Marvel/Universal’s The Incredible Hulk ($55.4M in 2008) and lower than Ant-Man ($57.2M, 2015).

but are they fundamentally wrong? companies like Disney are woke, they have embraced DEI/ESG and all that corporate nonsense down to having story line rules in their writing rooms. Hollywood cant write good female characters for example, its as obvious as pie watching the comically bad examples in recent years especially if they can be compared to stuff put out from the 90's and 2000's. you will reply that its all nonsense and they just hate women as if these points can be just argued away.

grand, once these flops dont have you confused at all.....