Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

Honestly just start slow why wait for the union? My wage is nowhere enough to live off so you pay peanuts you get monkey's....

I don't deny that but I also don't see the relevance in relation to my point.

Nonsense? Look at the post above yours when you made this comment. When challenged, that poster accepted my position. So it not nonsense.

It's the same as the Teaching and Lecturing forum, I have dozens of posts there and I don't know the first thing about teaching!

The lies and spin is so prevalent there, it has to be challenged and corrected continuously. The regulars there would love to see me banned from there too but of course can't because my points are 100% factual and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on banning someone who disagrees with the spin.

It's far from nonsense I can tell you that.

No it’s definitely nonsense…it’s why you disappear out of the thread for a while every time you make a fool of yourself. At least you aren’t ‘debating’ with your other account this time I suppose.

And you’d have been banned a long time ago if the site wasn’t so desperate for every bit of traffic it can get.

Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this in, but thought I’d try get some opinions anyways.

I saw the news yesterday about the HSE recruitment freeze now applying to all staffing. I’m applying for a clerical officer role and at the last stages of the process - no contract signed though. I’d say it is highly likely this news will impact my role so I’m fearful I’ll be told it won’t going it ahead.

I did see Sinn Fein were calling for the decision to be reversed immediately. Is there any chance that there’ll be an outcry and the government will give in and give the HSE the bail out they’re looking for?!

They given them twice now. Not quite a one off.

They should be factored into the discussion . They have eased the effect of inflation and their is a solid argument that the increase should be the inflation rate excluding the cost of energy (or a reduced effect.of that). If the credits are gone next year, that can be factored into the next deal. Once there's some consistency.

It's a reasonable position for the government to take.

Then by the same logic, inflation shouldn't factor into pay negotiations. It doesn't effect everyone equally.

The energy credits were universal and it's perfectly understandable for them to be used as an argument.

If you're not effected by the increase in energy prices directly then you didn't receive the credits. If you are, then you received the credits. It's a fair a reasonable position for the government to take. of course budget measures will be factored in if of course you accept inflation should be the foundational argument for increases.

But the public pay talks are not going to be dictated by the small percentage you are talking about. The unions are negotiating for the majority and the vast majority of people in the public sector will receive energy credits.

I'm not going to get into the weeds with regards licensees or people living with Mam and Dad. Those people likely don't split the bills. If the licensee is paying a flat rate, then they're not effected. If they split the bill, of course you'd expect the credit to be passed on.

The vast majority of people in the public sector are either uneffected by rising domestic energy prices or the impact has been greatly reduced by the credits. Hence, its fair to take them (and probably them alone) into account. The handful on the outside unfortunately, in my opinion, tough.

Why should the vast majority get the energy credits and a rise equal to inflation (including rising energy costs over the past 2 years)? That doesn't make sense. The energy credits have to be taken into account for them and that may result in a 0.5 or 1% difference.

It's also alright for us to have differing opinions.

A very good point. Public servants will get no where near 12.4%. They'll be lucky to get half that and my prediction is that it will be a quarter of that figure.

I'll wait on the deal to be published and judge it then. If it's less then inflation, I'll vote no. I'll factor in energy credits into my decision.

Wanting the best deal and factoring in budgetary measures (specifically energy credits) are not mutually exclusive.

We arrive at different positions. I get your view and see the rationale. I just don't agree.

Good point.

So I agree a 4000 raise with my employer. But then we go through and tot up the government budgetary measures applicable to me and reassess. €450 energy credit, 2 kids so a double payment in December €280, tax changes 2024 is about €1000. I am better of by €1,730.

4000-1730=2270 is the raise I'll be offered.

Is that what the Private Sector should do? It's essentially what the Paschal is suggesting for the Public Sector, except worse cause it's an across the board negotiation.

It's an absolute farce.

Your comparing a negotation for a single person and an entire workforce. That makes no sense.

If an employee walked into my office and said give me a pay rise of X percent because of inflation, I'd immediately counter with energy credits. Any employer would. It's the logical counter.