A Woke Society? **Mod Warning In Post #435**

if its some kind of trans thing then the point is that trans-men are a group that would seem to contain more than average sexual/violence tendencies, for men claiming to be women they dont mimic female criminality profiles. Allowing trans-men into female spaces where society's conventions are that men arent allowed will crack the average person's logic circuits.

Religious teachings in most schools because they are done by the teachers themselves generally are relatively harmless (having been to a catholic school myself) , the organisation as a whole isn't.

I'd still prefer they had nothing to do with the education system in any way and the government could fix that if they wanted to.

It's just interesting that poster seems to like the catholic church now that they agree with him, he'd despise them in almost every other circumstance.

The poster was referring to the fact that other posters would classify this as "woke", something they would never be accused of as an org.

The point been made is that it's not all about virtue signalling as the anti-woke often claim. It's about acting out your conscience.

The average person’s logic circuits will be fine, as most people just don’t have to deal with that scenario.

My own logic circuits are a bit frazzled after you made the point about violence in lesbian relationships, and then go on to make a point about men not mimicking female criminality profiles!

Both perpetrator profiles are significantly understudied, for various reasons, but in contrast to Shoog’s suggestion that women should be wary of men, as though there is something inherently specific to men which means they’re more prone to be violent towards women, well, as more studies are being conducted in the area, it’s turning out that women are just as capable as men of committing violence and sexual abuse of other women and children of both sexes -

Overcoming the social taboo of FCSO is obligatory, especially in the light of the harsh consequences for victims of FCSO. Moving beyond traditional gender stereotypes seems to be necessary to get over the confusion that women considered so far as caregivers, guardians, and defenders are able to be just as sexually abusive to children as men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6463078/

Ahh there’s a lot of background to that announcement ACD but it’s basically announced with the intent of exerting Rome’s authority over Bishops in the US who take a more hardline approach to what they perceive as more liberal ideas. For the Bishop who actually asked the questions, it doesn’t really change anything, good luck finding a person in Brazil who is transgender who isn’t baptised in the Catholic faith already! The other 30% or so, and gaining momentum, are Evangelicals, so there’s a bit of attempting to appeal to Catholics who feel like Rome doesn’t represent them, to bring them back into the fold so to speak.

Catholics aren’t mandated to adhere to the Bible in any case, but Evangelicals are; they’re both denominations of Christianity, but I get what you mean about à la cartism at the same time - Enoch springs to mind, even though Wilson’s school take a different view.

So you just undermined your own position that we should treat trans-women as a special exceptional case.

Understudied doesn't necessarily imply underrepresented in the crime statistics. There is little evidence of an equality of abuse between the sexes. The wave of date rape and spiking of females in social situations isn't been perpetrated by women.

not really, whatever the levels, a trans-woman will be more dangerous to other women than a statistically average female., for example girls arient likely to sexually abuse each other in school toilets and changing rooms but it would be madness to let mentally ill prone men to share their spaces in schools or even adult settings. the same way you might agree that mentally ill individuals shouldnt have access to firearms, its just Math! as the americans say

Yeah I got that much, personally I don’t imagine the average person gives it all that much thought, but you’re arguing that men are more violent so it stands to reason that they should be excluded from being around women, but then taking offence to the idea of men being a threat to women simply by virtue of being men, and it would be dangerous assume women can’t be just as dangerous even though they don’t exhibit the same levels of criminal behaviour as men!

It’s basically the sort of circular logic that argues we shouldn’t make assumptions that men are violent, they just need to be kept away from women. Valerie Solanas had some curious ideas about that, not to keep women In henhouses mind, but simply to eliminate men from society altogether -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

What you’re basically arguing for is Feminism on steroids.

I have never ever said that men are implicitly dangerous to be around and should be somehow segregated. My whole point has been to make blanket prohibitions based on gender would inevitably lead to such an outcome given the crime statistics as they are.

Not what I advocate and not what I suggested. What it's all about is the disengenious nature of the arguments based on risk coming from anti-trans activists

in coed schools for example you would then be arguing for shared showering and toilet facilities , thats my scope of female spaces, not that women should be kept away from the "male gaze" did I do feminism good with that term?

We're still talking about pushing ideologies in the classroom - there's a very inconsistent approach to that.

I also find it odd that you describe the organisation as 'not harmless', but their presence in the classroom mildly annoying and ultimately tolerable.