A Woke Society? **Mod Warning In Post #435**

But we now know smoking is bad for you............

We used to think there was something wrong with gay and trans people.........

The schools are harmless enough in the last 30 years or so. Not so much before that.

The priest visiting was the boy to watch out for, we just didn't know it at the time. You had to be respectful and do what he said.

What age do you need to be to receive gender reassignment surgery in Ireland ?

Can you get it as a child ?

As I said, I do not and never have advocated treating men as a risk group.

I am simply pointing out that they are by definition a riskyer group since they are responsible for almost all violent and sexual crime.

It's subtle, but if you try hard you'll get it.

Shoog you’re about as subtle as a brick 😁

Of course I get your point, which is the same point that anti-<insert whatever group you like here> uses to justify their prejudices against members of that particular target group, by relying on negative stereotypes and coded rhetoric to make their arguments appear altogether reasonable.

I have nothing against males as a group so you inference is I'll founded. You seem to have a bee up your butt that someone would point out that statistically males are far more violent than women. it seems to hurt and offend you in some deeply personal way.

For me it's about accepting the evidence for what it is and working from it. Some males don't even want to acknowledge that toxic masculinity Is real.

The inference isn’t ill-founded when the only inference that can be derived from your statement that women should be wary of all men, is that women should be wary of all men, and the statistical evidence you’re relying on to support your point of view is based on the behaviour of a minority of men, ignoring the fact that your statement simply does not apply to the vast majority of men, while claiming that you have nothing against males as a group and you’re only accepting the evidence for what it is and working from it.

You’re working from incomplete evidence which suits your already held position and that appears to be the only evidence you’ll accept, yet other people are somehow in the wrong when they do exactly the same thing as you’re doing. When the flaw in your reasoning is pointed out to you, you’re accusing me of being offended and all the rest of it, which is about the equivalent of anyone claiming people who don’t share their point of view is woke and whatever else. That just amounts to name-calling.

This is exactly what you said:

The statistics shows that if there is a threat to women then it is from men. Strip away the trans issue andwomen should be wary of all men given the very high rates of sexual assault by men.

What reason do women have to be wary of all men if it’s only a minority of men who are violent towards women? That’s not me lying about anything, it’s pointing out that you’re cherry-picking and presenting a false narrative in order to suggest that women should be fearful of men. I’m pointing out that your underlying logic is flawed, and it’s the same logic is used by any group to justify their prejudices against another group in society.

Straw men are easy to defeat, because they were designed to be.

No they weren’t, that’s why they’re difficult to spot, and often employed to make a ridiculous argument seem reasonable. And when that doesn’t work, the name-calling gets deployed. Goes something like this:

We're still talking ideologies in the classroom - something the poster was originally vehemently opposed to be and then suddenly very toelrant of when it was pointed out to him.

The question still remains: how can it be consistently stated that an organisation with a system of child abuse and cover-ups be regarded as harmless and trusted in the classroom, but a civil movement advocating equality and acceptance are dangerous?

do you think its ethical to give medical treatments and surgeries to under 18's for purely trans related complaints?

Ah FFS, hardly any male suicide years ago.

We'd hardly any cancer deaths 100 years ago either. Wonder why that is?

Its like Fr. Ted. "These are close up Dougal, those are far away".

Many manly men find themselves out of step with the modern world, they get depressed and committ suicide.

It's their mental attitude which makes them the odd man out.

The world has changed and they haven't. Toxic masculinity is a liability unless you want to be a soldier.

Women no longer value that type of masculinity so they find it more difficult to find partners which further depresses them.

The issues are not with society - but men who are not willing to adapt to a changing society.