Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Igotadose, I don't particularly care if you have an issue with the term being coopted. How often does a "war" break out and one side has complete and immediate control over the other's water, electricity, food, and border crossings? There has been a blockade for over a decade with 50% unemployment and desperate conditions within. It is literally a camp with a population that cannot leave.

That Israel aren't actively putting Gazans in gas chambers does not mean it is not very similar the meaning of a concentration camp, and now we're seeing hospitals and refugee camps being bombed while electricity, water, and food, are being restricted.

The only way it could be more like a concentration camp today would be for those doing the killings to try and hide what they're doing.

Not the first time Israel have violated medical neutrality.

Recorded violations of medical neutrality

Medical neutrality - Wikipedia

Gaza Strip (2021)

During the Israeli bombing of Gaza in May 2021, parts of a Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors without Borders) trauma and burns care clinic were destroyed in a series of airstrikes. The strikes destroyed a sterilization room and damaged a waiting area, there were no resulting direct casualties suffered. The airstrikes also destroyed the road that lead to the clinic, thereby preventing access to it. The clinic was subsequently forced to close.[17]

Further airstrikes also lead to death of two prominent doctors in the Gaza Strip. Dr. Ayman Abu al-Ouf, the head of internal medicine at Al-Shifa hospital, was killed along with 12 members of his extended family after an airstrike on his home on 16 May 2021. Dr. Mooein Ahmad al-Aloul, a 66-year-old psychiatric neurologist, was also killed in his home during the al-Wehda attacks.[18]

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Sure it does, but the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity reformed, whereas Islam is still the same as it was 1400 years ago, and what's more, it cannot be reformed...ever! As my Wahhabi friend told me one time, you want peace and love ? No problem, its there in the Quran. War and destruction? No problem either, its all there in the Quran. According to him, the Quran is the perfect guide for all of mankind for all time. It contains all the answers.

What possible reason(s) would there be for this act?

Anti-seminitism seems like a plausible explanation unless he is allergic to ‘graffiti’.

Hamas patients or Hamas heavily armed shooting out the window at Israeli warplanes. It doesn't matter if they have seen Hamas in their hospital.

The protection of hospitals during armed conflicts: What the law says | ICRC

According to international humanitarian law (IHL), health establishments and units, including hospitals, should not be attacked. This protection extends to the wounded and sick as well as to medical staff and means of transport. The rule has few exceptions.

Therefore, specific protection to which hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used by a party to the conflict to commit, outside their humanitarian functions, an "act harmful to the enemy". In case of doubt as to whether medical units of establishments are used to commit an "act harmful to the enemy", they should be presumed not to be so used.

When they are used to interfere directly or indirectly in military operations, and thereby cause harm to the enemy, the rationale for their specific protection is removed.

When they lose their protected status, Israel must warn them of this and provide sufficient time and safety for evacuations. Given Israel are bombing all Gaza hospitals, they aren't bothered about warnings/evacuation.

Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

How many Israeli soldiers/pilots have been harmed which led to the constant bombardment of medical facilities over the past few weeks?

It would appear that there is a lot of evidence that Hamas have a base or possibly their HQ under the hospital.

Gun battles with militants all around the hospital, why there?

Hamas not allowing civilians to leave the hospital via the safe corridor as presumably they want to keep them as human shields.

Hamas desperate to keep IDF away from this hospital in particular, why this one?

We know Hamas has "accidentally" struck hospitals with rockets before (c. 500 people killed in one strike) but would Hamas deliberately hit the hospital to try to stop Israel from uncovering it's base? They've done worse. Hamas PR is clearly very effective on some people.

Imagine putting a terrorist HQ under a hospital!?

IDF again confirmed they are not targeting hospitals and most of them are videoed now plus drones etc. How do we know it is not Hamas rockets hitting the hospitals again?

Remember last time they blew up a hospital and killed some 500 people and tried to blame it on Israel, and it turned out to be a Hamas rocket?

One thing is clear, Hamas are pulling out all the stops to keep IDF out of this hospital, there most be more than just facemasks downstairs in this hospital.

Babykiller Netanyahu on CNN

His opening salvo: "twenty 9/11s!" GTFO

Wants to make the same War on Terror mistakes, 20 times over. "it's not our war: it's your war!" TM

Collective responsibility sought for Collective Punishment.

He wants 20+ Fallujahs and thousands more dead children. These numbers are 'minimized'

Hitler this, savages that, the most passionate point in his interview was him saying "maximize terrorist casualties" he has a bloodthirst, he seems to think it will help him politically (or he's criminally insane)

When pressed repeatedly about his 'united Israel' position, 'we've never been more united' etc. he ducked dipped and dodged when asked about Israelis who wish him to acknowledge his accountability re: October 7th, the rise of Hamas etc. under his tenure, it undermines his entire premise that Israel is united and he seems to basically admit that he knows he's fucked here, but rather than step down and let someone who isn't insane in charge, and face accountability, he soldiers on like he's got unanimity. Delusional man, and this interview teased it out by mostly just letting him talk himself into corners and insincere meanderings.

"lot of evidence" == Israel keep repeating the same unsubstantiated crap over and over

.......and their bots are actively retweeting and posting it all over the place

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1GlkSgM7fZ6n8mFeNcwLHC?si=OV1RQbKbTI2CwG08Q0tn7g

Good synopsis from a progressive Israeli scholar on the history of Israeli state and the distinction between Zionism and Judaism.

Long term this is likely to get worse; Palestinian population is growing along with limitless resources from Iran and Qatar.

The Israeli population is growing to; it's the stand out country among western countries (and indeed everywhere else beyond sub Saharan Africa) with more than 2.0 births per adult female(the required replacement rate).

It's the demographics of the Israeli growth with Haredi Jews (not exactly the captains of industry types or Nobel prize winners) with the huge growth rate, circa 6.6. By 2050 half of Israeli children will be ultra orthodox born.

Neither of this is good for economic growth or a more balanced political spectrum.

Combined with the wing nuts setting up illegal settlements in West Bank ( itself a huge financial and military strain on the state) the long term future has a lot of worrying components in terms of figuring out a peaceful solution.

With a less secular Israeli population in the future and extremists in Gaza, both convinced of their divine right to the Holy Land this only gets worse in the long term.

The violence on both sides will silence moderates or those talking of peace.

Hope I'm wrong

Destroying Gaza's medical facilities and hospitals is 100% collective punishement too.

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA)

Since the start of hostilities, 14 out of 35 hospitals with inpatient capacities have stopped functioning and 51 (71 per cent) of all primary care facilities across Gaza (72) have shut down due to damage or lack of fuel. Out of the 102 attacks on health recorded by the World Health Organization (WHO), 83 were in the Gaza and North Gaza governates.

Thank you. I thought it was odd that I hadn’t seen any of that. We will see what is produced in due course by the IDF no doubt.

It's incredible, over 4 weeks in to the conflict the lack of irrefutable evidence Israel has been able to produce to support its claims of Hamas infiltrations to the levels they have been claiming so much.

Like, no video footage of hamas fighters prior to attacks, no believable evidence of tunnel structures beneath hospitals (CGI doesn't count). I'm not saying Hamas doesn't exist. Of course it does.

But 4 weeks in, there should be a hell of a lot more evidence for Israel to use rather than the nonsense they are coming out with such as the supposed copy of Mein Kampf taken from a childs bedroom.