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Storm Debi : Mon 13th Nov 2023 - CHAT / QUESTIONS THREAD

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I see folks on the other thread banging on about the overreaction and the fetish for warnings etc.


    I never heard of a Red Weather Warning until sometime in 2015/16 (I think). We've had a few since too. All I know was the first time we had this warning - a couple of people died. I recall one particular very tragic accident in Tipperary.

    Any employer worth their salt would.be taking decisions out of the their employers hands. It's only a few hours. I told my own team to follow the ME warnings and stay safe. My own boss won't be sending me any messages but I'll not be heading if the red warning is extended beyond 8am.

    Obviously it's different for essential services etc. My wife is a nurse but I'd much prefer that of she has to drive to work, the rest of the clowns are off the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭monster1


    So which is the technical thread??

    Would be nice to avoid the "Karen" type posts on the storm, and follow the regular posters on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The other one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The red warning is just for the weather, there is no such warning for the side effects. Any employer worth his salt would not question an employee being late or a no show, if there is a tree or a powerline blocking their way to work.

    I was in North Carolina a number of years ago when there was an ice storm. The governor went on television at 5am and instructed everyone in the state to stay whereever they were as it was too dangerous. The entire island of Ireland is 55% of the size of North Carolina, so I have to chuckle at people squabbling over one county being an orange and one county down the road being a red.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The other one.

    This one is for light hearted chat and general questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭coillsaille


    All the mods must be busy tonight so it's a complete s#*#show for anyone just looking for technical updates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I get and agree with most of your post but the ME red warning specifically says "potential danger to life".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Sorry, getting my threads confused. Has this storm similarities with Fastnet 1979 in developing late and deepening quickly? Just that we have better models now the forecast it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I know. My comment was mostly saying we should have a better way of dealing with significant events. We seem to be a nation of "Sure, it'll be grand". Plus lots of naysayers going with the "We had a red warning last year and it was just a strong breeze".

    With climate change basically being undeniable at this point, we can expect more significant events like this in the future. I'd like ME and the government contingency committee or whatever they are called to come up with a better way of making decisions and communicating it to the people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Fair play to Lidl,this is how an employer should treat their employees




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Soon as it affects Leinster, it goes red I see. Not like we got that for Babet here in Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭secman


    How did we manage as kids to go to school on wet windy days...I'll never know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood






  • It’s entirely up to individual pilots as to airline policy and aircraft type. There are very rigid & quite complicated weather parameters pertaining to each flight. It’s a serious area of study for pilots, meteorology forms part of the training and examinations. Runway direction is a big factor too, sometimes in Dublin you will see aircraft on Flightradar using the old “crosswind runway” when ATC makes it available during certain conditions.

    Obviously a lot of smaller aircraft types have wind vector restrictions, like Aer Lingus Regional/Emerald which uses the ATRs which have a specific control (or lack thereof) issue during the landing roll between the speed where rudder authority is lost and nosewheel steering is not effective. It’s a brief hiatus that makes it hazardous particularly in narrower runways like Donegal. In fact this was only actually proven in recent years during an AAIU investigation into an incident when an ATR went off the runway, it was demonstrated by investigators that the aircraft has a no-control period such that newer crosswind restrictions have been applied to its operations.

    Pilots check METARS through ATIS, and performance calculations are make on the FMS, and a last minute update to conditions on the runway are provided upon clearance to land by ATC

    But decision to land is always the responsibility of the Captain, and s/he may make a different decision than the captain of the aircraft right in front or directly behind, given same conditions, and s/he may commit to land where another has aborted and diverting, or else decide to abort/divert. Aircraft loading, fuel endurance, smaller technical glitches, combined experience of crew in prevailing conditions are all factors that go into the decision making, so when pax complain “the first Ryanair landed without a problem”, they would not be understanding certain factors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Storm is now explosively deepening and calling it off now is premature. Reports from north Clare on the other thread suggest that red alert conditions are possible within next hour or two in west and midlands, so would still expect disruptive wind gusts by 0630 or 0700 in Dublin.

    Gusts to 98 km/hr from NW at mace head on western flank of low indicate powerful development and I expect to see much stronger gusts reported at Athenry at 0500h (0400 report south gusting to 63 kmhr).

    Nobody was expecting to see damaging wind gusts before about 04-05 so I would say premature speculation from a few, we need to wait for peak wind development to reach full force later this morning. The rainfall portion of Debi has developed according to plan so I would expect winds to follow suit.



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