Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Civilians captured by one side are hostages.

Civilians captured by other side are not hostages.

And an unnamed, unidentified marchers amongst thousands is somehow equivalent to a countries PM speaking officially.

Do you see how ridiculous these arguments are when laid out in black and white? These are the hoops you're jumping through to justify Palestinians being killed.

No wonder you're refusing to explain your logic, no one could do so objectively.

You're asking me how I would act in a hypothetical situation which hasn't occurred. You should realize that if that is where you need to go to in order to try to negate my argument, you've already lost.

P.S. the issue the provocative home secretary alluded to didn't occur. It was fear mongering and all she did was rile up racists who showed themselves for what they are.

Let's figure out the marches first, once you admit that they are in fact pro Hamas anti-Israel marches we can discuss the other points.

Lol. Try again.

You think millions of people worldwide simultaneously decided to display their allegiance to Hamas?

Not even Israeli PR outlets are claiming this, that's how wide of the mark you are.

I'll take your desire to not respond to the other points as the lack of a valid response you've shown it to be.

Lebanon has 8bn in its reserves. A currency devalued by 90%, it doesn't even have a Permanent central bank head. It is a barely functioning State as is. If it goes to war against Israel, it won't even be that for 30 years to come.

The northern border was fairly peaceful since 2006 and the last significant Hezbollah attack.

That's purely on Hezbollah.

It might be necessary for Israel after a war, to draw a short straight line from Golan to Tyre and take it as a security buffer,

They will destroy it from the air, level every bridge, every military installation. Every police station , every power station, every state owned asset or govt building, every port. Every fishing harbour, Every barracks, every lorry that tries to enter or leave the country all communications, roads airports, everyone in a state uniform from the lollypop lady up, think what's happening in Gaza but gloves off and with a matter of urgency.

They may or may not send in soldiers after a few months of that, there might not be much left.

They did get a bloody nose in 2006, no doubt.

Difference now is that Israel is in a state of war, if they meet stiff resistance, they keep escalating the response till it is destroyed and given the severity of the threat there really isn't a line there, treat Beirut like 1944 Berlin? They won't be under prepared reservists in too few numbers and supplies, the opposite

The damage to Israel would be immense too, the barrage of rockets will overwhelm their defenses.

The calls to end Beirut will be very loud when Tel Aviv has been well ripped.

Interesting. I guess Hezbollah has its finger much closer to the pulse than Hamas. Hezbollah knows full well that they would be exterminated if they got involved.

Now all we in this thread can do is wait. Wait for Hamas to be gone. Hopefully it will be done with the least number of civilian (mostly children) deaths possible. But it has to be done at any cost now. Hamas leadership gave humanity no other option. They will continue to kill Jews forever more if it was up to them.

"u're asking me how I would act in a hypothetical situation which hasn't occurred"

Yes I am,for the third time.

I disagree. I feel the extermination of the evil Hamas might, just might, be the start of a meaningful peace. I just hope Gazans generally agree to this now. They didn't do themselves any favour voting in terrrorists as their rulers. What is it that is said about peoples? They get the rulers they deserve?

Fair enough, let's just agree to disagree if you don't think too many children have been murdered and if you choose to cling onto an extremely simplistic view that mass murdering people and terrorising them is somehow going to stop terrorism rather than cause it (and lets not forget that Israel created and fostered Hamas both indirectly by brutalising and terrorising the Palestinians and pushing them to extremism, and directly by funding Hamas and helping them to power in order to weaken the PLO)

Actually I fully agree with you. It's terrible from both ways.

I rationalize this as Israel as a whole feeling that it's very existence is at risk.

So they have ,in their eyes to defend themselves in the most expedient way.

Sure ,some among them may enjoy the feeling of revenge or just punishment (with collateral damage that may ethically be attributed to their enemies ) but even if they were merely dispassionate about the need to protect their country and people (which cannot really be dispassionate at any level).. even then they might still choose the same path of "I hate to do this but there is no choice.It is for the best"

Why are they in this place where they may think their very existence is in peril?

Blame on both and all sides but here ,I believe is where they are.

It is hard to expect the highest moral behaviour from those who feel their backs are to the wall(especially if they have not exhibited moral behaviour in the time preceeding this terrible event)

Do you rationalise in this manner for Palestinians too or just Israelis?

As I said a few pages back, it's just the classic "The only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" repurposed for war.

Truly, you must believe me. I hate war crimes and murdering children, but this one time for the first time in history, it's actually right. Believe me. I am completely against war crimes and do not think anyone should commit them, after this one specific event where they are totally required. She's only 17. She's too young to have a baby and the father is dead beat. She'll make a great mother when she's older and we'll support her then. But I am still totally against abortion.

That is copyright old chum.You are so smart though.