Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I’m saying the opposite actually. I’m firmly against Israel’s tactics of so called defending themselves when innocent lives are being taken indiscriminately. Additionally/equally I’m firmly against hamas killing Israelis.

Whats your definition of a combatant -does it include civilians, teenagers throwing stones?

Israel holds over 1,200 detainees without charge. That's the most in 3 decades, a rights group says | AP News

Israel is holding over 1,200 detainees — nearly all of them Palestinians — without charge or trial, the highest number in over three decades, an Israeli human rights group said Tuesday.

The detainees, 99% of whom are Palestinians, are held under Israel’s policy of “administrative detention,” without trial and under allegations that Israeli authorities keep secret.

The detentions can range from a few months to years — and authorities often extend them for unknown reasons, according to Jessica Montell, the executive director of Hamoked, the rights group that published the figures.

It's extremely unlikely. Israel have now killed thousands of children.

I'm a pacifist but if I was a Palestinian who had their family killed by an israeli bomb I can't say that my ideals would hold.

Ask yourself this, if after the worst IRA attacks, had the british bombed IRA strongholds in Derry, killing hundreds, would the people of Derry thought "That's ok. We'll have peace now". And would the people of Derry, who voted for SF have deserved it?

And just a reminder, the majority of those alive in gaza never voted for Hamas. The last election was in 2006. That was 17 years ago. About half the population of Gaza is under 18.

The blinkers some people wear amaze me. They think that this is some type of simple game. Hamas = bad and therefore Israel = Good. And if israel just kill enough of Hamas they'll win.

I'll happy provide feedback and I'll probably find what you're saying to be accurate as it is also the case with the Bible where you have fundamentalist Christians completely missing the point of Christs message and embarking on a path of hate and vitriol. We see the same in Judaism with some hardliners in Israel coming out with equally insane rhetoric.

I am an atheist but I do find theism interesing in the sense that it can shape cultures but I certainly wouldn't be painting an entire populace based on it like some on this thread seem to be determined to do. Like you say, there's great people and not so great people everywhere. I honestly just believe most people just want to have a safe home, food and happy family.

When in history has this ever worked?

Not going to stop terrorism but the aim is to stop Hamas first and find the hostages.

Obviously the current war will drive more Palestinians towards extremism, but Hamas was not short of support in Gaza to begin with and they have a history of attacking Israel and suicide bombers etc. so I don't see any good options for Israel, considering its neighbours.

Radical Islam does not appear to be able to live in peace with Jews. Or Hindus or Christians or atheists or even with different types of Muslims. There will be no lasting peace in the middle east, Israel just has to do what it must to defend itself and survive.

One side started this war and could end it by releasing the hostages.

Only one side is using women and children (and babies) as human shields.

Yes, those brave Israelis defending themselves and their borders from radical Islam.

Can you imagine if the UK were still displacing Irish people in the Republic and settling hundreds of thousands of people around the country.

That map's really innacurate. Really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVFgqkgkzw

He doesn't want it because he fears the cost but things can have a moment of their own. There is an understanding about the tit for tat exchange but things can get carried away on the ground.

It's not out of any love for Palestinians. It isn't that long ago really when his own forces were treating them like shi7 and butchering them.

If Israel's true aim is to defeat Hamas, why haven't they requested the Qatar to arrest the leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh?

Leaving outside the use of the abortion analogy, I don't think it is particularly necessary, I don't know how the advocates of Israels response can't consider the following.

Hundred's of thousands of Palestinian kids are seeing their homes/neighborhoods/family/friends being blown to bits by the Israeli army. They are seeing extremely decisive rhetoric from Israeli officials and less extreme but none the less decisive rhetoric from other leaders worldwide. They are seeing their people being forced to abandon the tiny patch of land they have clung to for decades in an effort to have a home. And they are dying, in their thousands.

Do Israel supporters at this point not think that these children will grow up with a fervent hatred of the Israeli state because of what it is doing to them? This is the most acrimonious the conflict has been between Israel and Palestine probably since the war of 1948. Hamas exists partly because of the impact seeing hundreds of his community killed by Israel had on one of its co-founders.

The scale of the disproportionality of the Israeli response, coupled with the statements from their officials, is surely doing more in forming future resistance to Israel than it is bringing peace to the region.

The only way that it can conceivably bring peace is if it results in the obliteration of so many Palestinians in Gaza and the removal of those who remain so that Gaza no longer exists as a Palestinian entity. Then the warmongers will say, look, there is no longer hatred, ignoring the genocide they have supported.

Hamas’s use of hospitals and other civilian facilities for command and control and weapons storage is a “violation of the laws of war”.

How can anyone be on the same side as Hamas? How?

Virtually no one is.

How can you not see that?

Can you imagine if the UK were still displacing Irish people in the Republic and settling hundreds of thousands of people around the country.

We don't need the UK, our own government have been doing it to us for the last 20 years.

That sort of propaganda only works on gullible eejits.

1) Footage emerges of an Israeli sniper shooting a lone Palestinian woman - walking down an otherwise empty street - in the head.

2) The IDF release a statement that there was a top Hamas command and control centre in the half-empty shopping bag she was carrying.

3) Standard boards.ie gullible wannabe-zionist response to assertions that Israel were bold boys for killing her - "But how can anyone be on the same side as a group of terrorists who hide their control centres in women's shopping bags and use them as human shields? How?"