General British politics discussion thread

Farage away to the jungle and trousering 1.5m in the process. Operation Take-over-the-Tories to begin shortly

I used to support the Royal British Legion but they're the ones who allowed the poppy to get hijacked, never once did I see them meaningfully try and counter the narrative the far right grifters and rw press were pushing, and now these last few years has gone beyond parody. So they can stick their poppy, as can Help for Heroes, another bunch of absolute cnuts.

The former soldiers I occasionally chat to (online) all think similarly.

I do wonder how much refusals to wear the poppy, such as McClean, feeds into the absolutism around the poppy. I think the people who now demand others wear it weren't that bothered until someone popped up with an alternative viewpoint and then bingo, they had an enemy which then made wearing a poppy a convenient battleline for those looking for a battle. It was the excuse they were looking for to abuse people and an opportunity to vent their anger while assuring themselves that they have the moral high ground.

Obviously normal people don't think like that but when you consider that these people latched onto the idea that a protest against war is a "hate march", you see the level of intellect we are dealing with. The same people justify all sorts of unsavoury (or worse) comments on the grounds of free speech while demanding everyone buy into concepts like the poppy with no room for other opinions there.

I'm not suggesting McClean did anything wrong, these people would have found another issue to rail against, but I wonder would the poppy have become such an issue had he, and others, just worn it. It's the same with many symbols, the ones that become most important are the ones that annoy the "other side". I'm sure RUC badges will be the next must have accessory for certain people after that video last week.

I'm sure Sunak will twist himself in knots in an attempt to say she was both right in everything she said about "hate" marches but also needed sacking for being wrong.

James Cleverly moving from Foreign Office to Home Secretary.

Which leaves FO vacant obviously, and the current rumour (surely can't be true) is David Cameron.

edit : Just checked and Dave is not in the Lords, so would have to be made a peer first. Could all be done in an hour of course, but seems implausible.

Or maybe she is just a dumb fuk with a loud mouth.

Her and the rest of the current Tory cabinet are what was scraped off the bottom of the barrel after years of the party being hollowed out so I wouldn't be too quick to believe this is some well thought out scheme.

I didn't mention a time frame. I have previously said it got worse recently alright.

The BBC have now reported that James Cleverly is now confirmed as Home Secretary.

Schools Minister Nick Gibb has also quit his job this morning. He is taking up a diplomatic role after the next GE.

A lot of very mixed views are coming in from people ringing in about Suella Braverman's sacking on Jeremy Vine on Channel 5 this morning. The phone lines are known to be very busy according to Jeremy.

Jebus. That seemed so unlikely to me 60 minutes ago. I guess nothing this government does should surprise.

So the PM who gave us Brexit is foreign secretary 🤣

And gets awarded with a seat in Lords.

First former PM in 50 years to enter cabinet.

Will be some party down the local butcher shop tonight.