Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Another stat relevant to the Irish state, given about 40% of Gazans are under 18, it leaves about 1.2 million adults, about 600k men roughly, out of that 600k, 3000 went on a raid in to Israel that would make pol pot blush, with the rape, and savagery involved and they was complete joy doing things as savage as it gets.

For the Irish State. That would be about 15k going on a suicide butchering mission.

Hamas enjoy very, very significant support.

Ehh you do know there were three wars, two of which were instigated by Israel's neighbours and the third was a preemtive attack by Israel because Egypt had told the UN force to leave, had closed the Straits of Tiran blocking Israeli shipping which they had said would be seen as an act of war.

And the map you show of the 1947 borders would have made it impossible for Israel to protect itself from attack from it's neighbours and to continue to exist.

Although maybe that is what a lot of people want, you know the old from the Jordan to the Sea brigade.

Something people putting up these maps always fail to mention is how West Bank was under Jordanian control and Gaza under Egyptian control until 1967.

What exactly did these fellow Arab states do to create a new Palestinian state ?

Fook all is the answer, yet they continually harp on about the plight of Palestinians under Israel.

They don't want them either, although they prove convenient for their leadership when their own countries come under scrutiny.

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict has always proven convenient for Arab and indeed non Arab muslim states.

I am surprised it didn't boil over the last few years to help keep the Clonskeagh Mulsim Brotherhood in power or take the heat off the Ayatollahs murdering women.

Hell it is now proving convenient for Russia.

Speaking of Russia, do you support Ukraine's right to exist and to have their own State? Do you think Ireland should express support for that?

Former IDF sniper says they were told to collect kneecaps from protesters

"One side started this war" by displacing the Palestinians from their land, murdering them on an industrial scale for decades, kidnapping them and imprisoning them without due process, curtailing their most basic rights. They aren't even trying to hide their genocidal intent, as they now murder children in their thousands, attack maternity wards, blow up hospitals, bomb refugee camps, drop white phosphorous on civilians etc. Only one side is mass murdering women and children and babies and then rolling out the "human shield" argument without any evidence as if that justifies the murder of babies even if it were true.

You've got this massively violent militarised state actively murdering thousands of civilians while their government ministers have openly used genocidal language, one of the most heavily armed in the world that also has a cache of nukes at its disposal that ministers have even talked about dropping on Palestinian civilians, an apartheid state that explicitly affords citizens different rights based on their ethnicity, yet it's the muslims who are unable to live peacefully with their neighbours. It's pure Islamophobia and racism plain and simple to try and maintain that point of view.

@quokula - "displacing the Palestinians from their land"

Their land? It was never their land. It was always owned by others. But yes it was offered to them for free to become their land, but they refused.

Where do you think Shakespeare was referring to when he mentioned Palestine when writing Othello?

It was surely a land then, where was it?

Yes. Israel is going nowhere. A militia force relying on rockets, a third of which misfire, against one of the most powerful armies in the world is not a threat to their existence. No other conventional force in the region is either. Which is why Iran is not engaging Israel directly, instead it's relying on proxy forces to carry out attacks that do little overall damage to the Israeli military. These posters might be pushing that line of an existential threat to justify what's happening in Gaza.

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Ehh you forgot 1973 when Arab countries attacked Israel once again.

Israel reched peace with Egypt when Egpyt finally agreed that Israel had a right to exist.

And they gave back the Sinai removing settlements that were there as part of that deal.

They reached peace settlement the Oslo accords with PLO, only for hardliners to assassinate Rabin.

They removed settlements from Gaza only for hamas to then take control.

And no I am not saying Israel, especially under Netanyahu, building settlements in West Bank has been right.

Palestinians are going to have to realise they are not getting their old lands back, they are not going to even get 1967 areas.

And that a state of Israel has a right to exist.

And hard line Palestinians are going to have to realise that Israel will bomb the sh** of them if they think they can carry out a Shoah Part 2.

Hard line Israelis are going to have to realise they need to get to fook out of West Bank, and let a Palestinian state of some shape exist.

Now unfortunately never the twin shall meet.

Yes I do very much support Ukraine.

Then again they have never said they want to kill all Russians and actually set about doing it.

And please don't come back with the Azov brigade or some such.

Would you call for the Irish government to issue 500k passports randomly to Ukrainians to come to live here permanently?

Point of clarification...The Nazis in the end did not care about their own.

The SS hung kids from telephone poles.

Hitler ordered the destruction of Germany and that big two face Nazi war criminal that the West loved prevented it being carried out.

Islamists are the new nazis and anyone that thinks any different are morons, going like lamps to the slaughter.

Hamas are islamists, just like ISIS, al-qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, Abu Sayyaf, etc

If we could turn back the clock, and if Catholics up North, alongside marching for civil rights after decades of oppression, had attacked the British State (as some of them did), it is nice to know you would have cheered on the Brits randomly leveling residential parts of Derry and nationalist areas in Belfast with airstrikes in response.

I agree with you. However, one does not negate the other. Israeli snipers killing hospital patients is also a war crime.