Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

It depends how well you know the HR processes. If you know your own comp ratio (where you stand against the midpoint of your scale), it's not that hard to predict what your increment might be. Bonuses and stock were harder to predict, in fairness.

But the nub of the issue is that most people in large private sector orgs or progressive smaller private sector orgs manage to get increases most years, just like public sector staff. The differences aren't as vast as some want to imply.

I'm outside Dublin and this is not the case reflected where I work.

Again people don't want to apply for a job that takes 6 months to get hired and 5 years to hit 70k when in the private sector that can happen in a year. We need better base pay for new entrants especially if a new CO is gonna be getting about the value of a tank of gas and a weeks shopping more than a person on Welfare while loosing **** loads of benefits..

I've posted this before, we've lost 3 COs in my section over the last 18 months or so. (Dublin).

None replaced, and we've been told not to expect replacements anytime soon - despite competitions being run.

Mt brother went from 35k to 65k in the same time I have went from 27k to 29k as a CO.

He works in IT finished out a degree under the company after studying a 1 year cyber security and got an instant raise of 10k then got promoted within a year to 65k, seeing his salary double in about 16 months.

Meanwhile I couldn't apply for internal promotion and missed 2 competitions that I am overly qualified for and my only option to see a decent pay rise is to apply externally and potentially leave my department which I want to work for.

Sometimes you need to leave a company or department you like in order to get a pay rise.

I do agree that CO entry level salary is low (as well as some other grades). As I said earlier but get rid of long service increments too and just have them as normal increments.

A CO would have to jump straight to AP, to earn €70k.

While someone may have done it in five years, that is an outlier (and they could only have done it through open competitions).

The fact is, we need the general admin staff at the lower grades, to fulfil the everyday tasks.

As of 2020 (the lastest stat I could find) approx 32% of the entire Civil Service are at the Clerical Officer grade.

Do you think there are enough AP roles for them all?

And as I posted above, someone going from CO to AP in five years is an outlier.

By your own earlier admission Bren, you don't understand how the civil /public admin grades work, so maybe you should refrain from commenting on what you have no experience of.

I was in IT for 2 years and I was on 70k. And that was a few years ago too. I dont think i know anyone in IT who wasnt on 70k plus within 3 years anyway. Dont know what this person had been doing for 14 years, but its not IT

Like there's a role in the Courts Service for Head of IT Service Delivery at AP level. I'm sure someone with a good amount of experience could get more money in the private sector for that size role.

The NTA was/is hiring a Deputy Head of ICT at AP Higher level. That's probably more accurate.

Yeah, have to agree with this.

Very little practical role left in alot of depts. Something of a luxury in many cases