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Do Golden Discs know what they are doing?

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  • 20-04-2022 9:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭


    Over the last few years Golden Discs have given a large portion of their retail space to vinyl albums (quite expensive I might add (€30-€40 per album)). Over the last six months they have almost stopped stocking compilation albums. The latest Now 111 album is in store but they don’t have many others. In my view the vinyl revival is a fad that will pass and they will be left with a lot of stock to shift but I guess that is the risk they take. I notice the supermarkets aren’t really stocking new albums either. Maybe music retail is on the way out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    vinyl is probably on the way back out too but id say there's more life in that than CDs etc so i dont blame them.

    having said that, back when i bought actual CDs golden discs always tended to be the worst of the options. HMW and virgin were always the best and even roxy were better than GD. wouldve killed for a tower records near me though



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Multi-artist compilation albums aren't particularly big sellers compared to the old days; or particularly profitable either.

    Now 111 is selling less here than six soundtrack albums, one of which is 14 years old!

    https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/irish-compilations-chart/



  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    I would have thought that compilation cds still have some life in them particularly oldies compilations targeting nostalgia and an older demographic in general. I asked a staff member the reason for the change a few months back and they blamed brexit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    Not surprising as it’s not available in many outlets. Up to a year or so ago you would see dedicated display stands with the latest Now! compilation in all sorts of places including supermarkets, Heatons and even Penneys! Not any more though…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Is a "fad" not a short term bubble? Vinyl has been a "fad" for at least 10 years and seems to be growing.

    They also seem to be profitable, so I suspect that they know what they are doing



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,621 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    would the demographic getting back into vinyl be the demographic buying compilation albums?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    A lot of the current anti-CD sentiment comes from Born Again Vinyl Junkies. It's like they're over-compensating for ignoring vinyl for so many years. A lot of them would turn up their noses at V/A compilation CDs, especially pop ones. While it's great to see the format selling so well (I never stopped buying vinyl or CDs), the recent revival has brought out a weird form of snobbery that wasn't there before.

    In terms of the OP, I wouldn't recommend Golden Discs or the supermarkets for V/A compilations. They're too unreliable when it comes to stocking them and when they do, they're frequently overpriced (say €10 for a triple CD that Amazon UK have for £5 - £6). Those recent Now Yearbooks & other Now spin-offs have been difficult to obtain there, especially the hardback editions - much easier to order online. The problem with the current compilation market is the sheer volume of stuff that comes out & the constant repetition and recycling of tracks. Retrospective compilations will always cherrypick whereas contemporary ones give you a much better flavour of what was popular at the time. There was a period in the mid-90s when Rhino and Time Life were releasing brilliant genre & decade compilation series & box sets but that has died off and been replaced by a more generic selection of cheap mass-produced selections. For more specialist scenes, Cherry Red do brilliant 3 or 4 CD sets focusing on a particular year or style which come with excellent sleeve notes. Ace Records also do great one disc compilations (e.g. the ones Bob Stanley is curating). But you won't find any of them in Golden Discs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    Resurrecting this as recently GD have or are about to close stores in two suburban shopping centres in Cork Mahon Point and Wilton.

    This leaves only their Patrick Street store in the city centre. I wonder what future this store has. Maybe HMV will return to the city to offer some competition…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The lack of display stands is due to the lack of sales, not vice versa.

    You don't see display stands for fax machines in electronics retailers either these days.

    People still buy artist albums - even CD sales went up globally last year as well as the huge, huge increase in vinyl sales - but compilations are dead. Spotify and youtube playlists handle that for people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR



    "Compilations are dead"

    I don't agree.

    The numbered Nows aren't dead. Its sales have fallen quite a bit but aside from Now 115 (which peaked at #2 beaten by Barbie), they always top the compilation chart. Their Yearbook & Extra series (bizarrely mostly unavailable in Ireland) is proving very popular with new volume or Extra every month. The triple vinyl editions sell out within a few weeks - 1983 and 1984 had to be repressed (re-released yesterday) as the Ebay prices for the originals had gone over £400. They're also releasing other spin-offs.

    As for genre compilations, Cherry Red, Edsel, Demon and Ace Records are putting out stuff on a monthly basis - usually on CD as these are multi disc releases and are very healthy sellers as they come with decent booklets. I've bought c.25 of these already this year (all 2023 releases).

    Spotify and YouTube playlists only go so far and don't provide any background or context.

    I will admit that the Irish market seems quite different to the UK one for reissues / compilations - in terms of availability and interest. We seem to be wired differently.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You're describing ultra specialist offerings there.

    The person who picked up Now from a display stand in Penneys, or a random grab bag hits compilation in a service station is not buying triple vinyl reissues of the Now's they had when they were teenagers, or sampler compilations from indie labels.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    They're not reissues of old Nows. They're new releases dedicated to a particular year. Started coming out in 2021 and they've covered 1978-1986 and 1992 so far.

    The other ones from the likes of Cherry Red aren't samplers. They're well-researched genre sets but still come under the compilation umbrella. Here's an example of the last one I bought. https://www.discogs.com/release/27809151-Various-Come-Together-Adventures-On-The-Indie-Dancefloor-1989-1992



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You're just making them sound even more specialist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    On Saturday 23rd April 2022 (not too long after you started this thread!), Golden Discs opened up a "concept store" in Dundrum Town Centre. For a number of years, that rented space was occupied by HMV.

    It has plenty of traditional CD and vinyl collections. Apart from all the merchandise, it is like going back in time.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Shakyfan


    The problem with the Now albums is that they're taking the piss with endless pointless releases. Back in the day you had 3 numbered albums a year and maybe one or two themed albums - Now Summer / Christmas / Dance. These days there seems to be a new one nearly every week. And most of them are rehashing what's already out there. Plus with the likes of the Christmas editions they stick out a new one every couple of years new cover art and add in a handful of songs that weren't on the previous version. The Yearbooks are a decent concept but then they got greedy with the Extras and the Millennium albums which they've moved onto recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Yes, the spin-offs got out of control in last 10 or 12 years or so.

    An awful lot of them are just recycling the same pool of tracks. The Christmas re-hashes are pointless. I do think the Yearbooks and Extras are great though. The vinyl pressings are surprisingly good. I do my own Extra Plus versions on Spotify (2CD playlist for each year - https://apopfansdream.wordpress.com/words/now-yearbook-extra-plus/) for the tracks they can't / won't licence. The Millennium editions (a continuation of the 1999 series) are interesting in that they're covering two years at a time. The Alternative 80s and USA 80s are quite good spin-offs IMHO as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Shakyfan


    Yeah! I've been getting the vinyl and hardcase CD editions of the Yearbooks and downloading the Extras, And unusual these days to get a triple vinyl for around £30, especially coloured vinyl. I've drawn the line at the Millennium ones though, it's going to be a big enough collection sticking to the yearbook volumes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Yeah, I like the vinyl sequencing too. The hardback CD editions are very nice. It's a wild guess to where they will go next but maybe

    October - 1973 Extra

    November - 1987

    December - 1987 Extra

    Did you get the Vinyl Extra set from last Christmas - it's down in price to £78 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/NOW-Yearbook-1980-Vinyl-Extra/dp/B0BNKB4VN3/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1SHPBWW4YVJK1&keywords=now+yearbook+vinyl+extra&qid=1693421503&sprefix=now+yearbook+vinyl+extra%2Caps%2C69&sr=8-2 - has sleevenotes too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    That looks great. I'm definitely going to look into those albums



  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭DJ_Eoghan


    With my business hat on (and not music buyer hat), I would say that Golden Discs definitely know what they're doing. They managed to survive Napster, Spotify, death of vinyl, death of CDs, death of video, death of DVDs, and all that while occupying high priced retail spaces. I'm only guessing here, but from what I hear from friends in the industry, there is a real squeeze on retail space prices at the moment, with shopping centres and landlords struggling to fill spaces. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those drop-outs from stores are them exercising break clauses with a view to sourcing a cheaper lease elsewhere (or there), or alternatively if they've been promised a cheaper space to allow a new higher paying tenant take on their existing space. I notice they did this in Liffey Valley, where they moved off the main mall and into the space vacated by Starbucks (with very little refurb too, it looks like they're still using the Starbucks coffee counter!). As a music buyer, I think they're ridiculously priced, but as a business person, they always seem to be ahead of the game, so if they're backing off vinyl, you can bet they have a reason (e.g. mainstream pricing at the rates they are prepared to sell at probably aren't sustainable as disposable income is squeezed by inflation).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    You use the word “death” a lot

    Vinyl sales bottoming out in the early 90s didn’t impact them as cassettes & CDs filled the gap.

    Physical format sales have fallen to about 11% of the market (UK - Irish figures are impossible to source) but demand is still there and CDs are still outselling vinyl by nearly 2:1.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭UI_Paddy


    Yeah, I wouldn't say most of those formats died. Vinyl always had a following but obviously sales rapidly declined as CDs were introduced, and of course it has had a resurgence. Hell there's even been a smaller revival for cassettes as Coldplay and ABBA both released albums on cassettes. VHS is dead, as I believe the last commercially available release was in... 2006? CDs arent dead, and have been in production ever since they were released. DVDs haven't died and still outsell Blu-Ray and 4K.


    To the thread topic, yes Golden Discs know what they are doing. While some stores are closing you still see new ones opening all over the country, and any Irish business that has lasted as long as them is doing something right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Being the last one standing makes it easier to survive now!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,473 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    As a music fan Golden Discs were always to be avoided.

    if you like top 40 type stuff or trad they always seemed to have an abundance of stock. Or DVDs.

    but if you had a wider range of musical taste and I don’t mean anything very leftfield or odd just anything not middle of the road they were absolutely beyond useless….

    if you were after a Jimmy Cliff record…. Now on their website they have 1 in stock. He’s released close to 20 albums and one of the greatest reggae artists of the last 50 years…

    Tower records would have a much wider selection and HMV too would have had multiples of his releases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭rpirl


    What's the smallest city / town Golden Discs have been in... Athlone maybe?

    They've seen off the likes of Heartbeat City and Roxy Records, but those chains were mostly in towns that Golden Discs didn't really have a presence in. Both of those were fairly charty, had similar-sized shops but had a lot more to offer than GD



  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    They have a unit in Sligo which never seems busy anytime I passed!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Funny thing on music stores.

    Daughter likes Taylor Swift.

    As do a million other Irish people, judging by ticket sales over the summer.

    Was in HMV/ Tower Records last week to buy a Taylor Swift tshirt for a child.

    Do they have such a thing?

    No.

    They had Doors tshirts and Blondie tshirts and Frank Zappa tshirts and Lemmy tshirts.

    But the most popular artist on the planet?

    No, we dont stock them...eh...maybe try amazon.

    WTAF.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Tower Records are too cool for school. Aside from their snooty staff…. A few years ago, I messaged them about an expensive box set - wondering if it was in stock & if so, asked them to keep me a copy. They couldn’t be bothered to reply. So I bought a copy on Discogs & publicly lambasted them on Twitter after it arrived. Haven’t gone in there since. I buy a lot of physical media every month but would prefer to give the business to someone else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Sentinel are closing their bricks & mortar shop after tomorrow. They shared a basement underneath a barbers with Absys. One specialised in metal and the other in trance, drum&bass etc. but catered for lots of second hand and always had a good variation e.g., you could pick up perfect Stravinsky or Brahms classical records for €5 and had boxes of cheap pop/rock/folk/whatever.

    I called it the Golden Triangle with The Rage (almost 100% second hand) and All City (cater more to hiphop/funk/soul/house) which is always hilariously chaotic.


    Hopefully Sentinel/Absys will open up somewhere not far as the two lads running it are completely sound and always gave great deals and seemed to do a good trade.

    For all the panning of Golden Discs - which is deserved - they occasionally have the odd bargain in their sales. I picked up Exile on Main St for a friend for €16 after Christmas and Carol King Tapestry and a few others for €14/15 last year.



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