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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A simple summary of you posts over the last few days is that your claim of China and France "rolling back" on nuclear power plants was baseless and your assertion on renewables added to the grid are likewise, when you cannot give a cost for this 37GW plan where based on Finland the cost with nuclear would be €35 Billion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    There are time your prevarication and spoofing really does crack me up 😁

    Indeed regardless of being asked on many many occasions by posters you have never made any claim as to the cost of this 37GW plan, yet rather bizarriely that hasn`t stopped you claiming that it will provide better value than any other proposed solution, and even now you are calling someone costings makey-uppey.

    I have no problem showing you what these "makey-uppey" costs for this 37GW plan are based on that would leave the capital spend for just the offshore section alone at anything between €140 Billion and €220 Billion, with more spend required every 20 - 25 years, but where would the point be as you will just come back with just more prevarication and spoofing rather than a figure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Great! Not only is our government proposing to spend our hard-earned money on our own domestic renewables scams, but we're going to invest in other people's too. Reuters reports on Ireland's new wealth funds:

    The Infrastructure, Climate and Nature Fund is expected to invest in high-quality, short-term liquid instruments while the bigger sovereign wealth fund will focus on longer-term, riskier instruments. Both funds will be invested mainly outside Ireland.

    So I guess we'll be investing in turkeys like these:

    • Invesco Solar ETF DOWN 65%
    • iShares Global Clean energy ETF DOWN 60%
    • Clean Edge Green Energy ETF DOWN 60%
    • First Trust Global Wind Energy ETF Down 50%




  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Not only that, now that things are going so badly the EU commission wants to expand the EU with more troublesome countries like Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia and put (your) money in private investment funds to support current and future wars and keep funding bankrupt countries (Ukraine).

    Furthermore, they seek an obligatory european digital identity w your face, fingerprints and access to all your documents (banks, healthcare, travel, transactions, mobile devices, internet) plus CBDCs to be able to control and track each individual.

    And indeed fund and speed up green projects without cost-benefit analyses.

    (And that Irish investment fund uses the pension money the citizens have/ are paying and give you NO return on investment. Instead of secure long-term returns we will be paying for future DEBT).

    Now what could possibly go wrong here?

    These people are fascists, plain and simple. Every move an indication. Bigger, faster, more on every front. It's in their DNA. And if someone calls this a conspiracy theory they are damn right because it is..

    It's a major threat to the people and countries of Europe yet the mainstream political parties seem uninterested.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Another detailed analysis of what went wrong with Nuscale and nuclear power in general. Sobering reading for the nuclear fanboys.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That truly entered conspiracy forum territory...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,385 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Maybe put your smugness on ice until we see how our offshore wind expansion pans out over the next 10 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    If they manage to build one turbine that will be more carbon saved than if Ireland went mad and build nuclear, so a win whatever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,385 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I asked about small nuclear the other day. It seems cost and time delays are the major factor why it won't work here. But the costing and time frame for our off shore is equally an unknown or even a state secret going by some posters responses.

    As I said, mind the smugness, it may come back to bite you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Offshore wind is a proven technology with many GW already installed. There is no technical reason why Ireland will not have massive amounts of offshore wind built out in the next decade.

    The same economic factors impacting wind are killing nuclear power projects stone dead. The difference is that wind will recover from the current financing issues.

    Let's be clear, when people talk about the cost to build nuclear they are generally been deeply disengenious since they never discuss the whole lifetime cost of build, security, waste storage, decommissioning, long term waste storage. Costs which most nuclear powers have not faced yet. France as a country has big issues facing it when it has to pick up the bill for decommissioning its nuclear bet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,385 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Again, you're missing the point. Repeatedly it has been claimed by various posters that cost and time over runs are the reason not to build nuclear, but seemingly those reasons are okay for offshore wind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It would and that's a simple fact. No carbon will be saved from Ireland building nuclear in the next decade, in fact quite the opposite.

    In a climate crisis you get no credit for a promissory note to save carbon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Financing is the issue not cost overruns. All contracts were written based on an economy that no longer exists. That's a reality faced by all large engineering projects including nuclear - but far worse for nuclear since the loan periods are massively longer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    That’s what I was talking about earlier

    If these green 💩 peddlers actually put their money where their religion lies they would now have no pensions and instead of talking about retrofits be talking about how to survive on state pension and avail of fuel subsidies



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    So how are your nuclear investments panning out ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    It’s a new tech

    in Meantime Koreans built 4 reactors in Dubai on time and budget and now starting to build the same in Poland using the same boring design that exists in dozens of locations

    Now are you going to tell us how much the 37GW of offshore wind is going to

    1. cost to build
    2. cost to maintain for 25 years
    3. cost to build again every 25 years


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Here are more eNGOs in action, this time fronted by Trocaire and Christian Aid, both organisations associated with Climate Action Network (CAN). CAN is a United Nations eNGO, founded soon after the IPCC (1988). The dominant players in CAN are Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth. This is one of the reasons charities such as Trocaire have become entangled in the politics of climate change and helped found another local eNGO shopfront called Stop Climate Chaos.

    Ireland’s fair share of a landmark new “loss and damage” fund to help climate-vulnerable countries should rise to €1.5 billion a year by 2030, according to an analysis published on Tuesday by the Irish development agencies Christian Aid Ireland and Trócaire. source

    Coincidentally, Mr. Eamon Ryan happens to be the the EUs lead negotiator for loss and damage in COP28 and no doubt his ego is writing cheques that Irish taxpayers bodies can't cash. The Irish government has allocated €1.233 billion to foreign aid for 2023, presumably the NGOs are "asking on behalf of a friend" for another €1.5 billion on top of this. As it happens, activists within the United Nations has been after this dosh since the showed their hand at the 2017 Bonn conference.

    With money for action on climate change already in short supply, an estimated $300 billion a year needed to help countries deal with unavoidable climate losses will have to come from innovative new sources, such as a financial transaction tax or carbon tax, researchers say.

    Funding for such climate "loss and damage" aims to assist people who lose their land to sea level rise, for instance, or are forced to migrate as drought makes growing crops impossible in some regions.

    <snip>

    Harjeet Singh, who heads climate change policy for charity ActionAid, also said that setting up a new loss and damage funding body made no sense.


    “It’s so tedious to set up an institution and get it going, and make sure the money reaches the intended people. It does make sense to use the existing mechanisms to transfer the money,” he told the Thomson Reuters Foundation in a telephone interview from Bonn. source

    Which organisation will administer the funds?, the World bank will. This should concern us taxpayers, especially as minister Ryan may be putting us on the hook for what the world bank terms "callable capital". As a side note, the United States president appoints the head of the World bank.

    A spokesperson for Britain's foreign office said the UK "strongly supports" the World Bank proposals to explore all options to further increase support to developing and emerging economies.

    The bank said proposals under consideration include higher statutory lending limits, lower equity-to-loan requirements and the use of callable capital - money pledged but not paid in by member governments - for lending.

    Development experts say this shift would greatly increase the amount of lending compared to the current capital structure, which only utilizes paid-in capital. source


    That begs the question, by pimping on behalf of the World bank, are Trocaire potentially undermining the work they do? The obsession with climate is actually having an impact on such charities, and people they help or could help. The reason being more charity anti-poverty funding gets reallocated to climate funding. The UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) is just Climate Activism Disguised as Development Assistance.

    How the war on climate change slams the world’s poor

    Ten years ago, a biofuels craze swept rich countries with the full-throated support of green activists who hailed any shift away from fossil fuels. Food crops were replaced to produce ethanol, and the resulting spike in food prices forced at least 30 million people into poverty and 30 million more into hunger, according to UK charity ActionAid. source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Here's a wacky Green idea. Remember the famous Millennium Forests where every citizen of the state got a tree planted in their name and a certificate with site location?

    Well why not solve the agri conundrum and the heating conundrum by giving every household in the state a wee block of planted forest that will grow, sequester carbon and can then be cut to provide fuel to heat same household. A perpetual turf plot.

    Just add a bit of sweat and labour and save the planet. A natural solution that every Green should be able to get right behind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The millennium forests are a great asset in a country with one of the lowest tree covers in Europe. Been to quite a few and a great idea.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Did you find the top secret costing for that 37 GW of offshore wind in Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    The greens rarely use the correct term when stating power ( as in 35GW.)The standard (normal) way should be ..W PER HOUR.

    That is not a mistake but done deliberately. It is to impress the energy naive. Look ma, a higher number!



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    My pension stake and personal stock investments in Microsoft is up 53% in last year

    thank you very much

    Bill Gates is heavily investing in nuclear via Terrapower which is powering ahead to solve climate change

    Japan on board too now




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Did you ever go look for your millennium tree though?

    Anyway I like trees but trees may also be managed for fuel. I'm surprised Greens don't promote them more as a source of heating. Far more sustainable and far less polluting in terms of materials and construction than industrial wind machines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    They can impress us by showing the costing for 37 GW of offshore wind

    because I don’t see how it can be done on this side of 200bn every 25 years



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    You'll be waiting. Some here are allergic when it comes to backing up their statements



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    So no investments in nuclear then. Bill Gates is a private individual that carries out his own speculative investments.

    It's also very interesting that Gates is backing a technology which has a very real potential to promote nuclear arms proliferation.

    The hypocracy is hard to bare.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I did go and look at my tree.

    The Greens have actually promoted domestic wood for fuel in the form of wood pellets, made and used in Ireland from wood waste, about to install a wood pellet wood heater myself. So yes they do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    And where is this private individual get his wealth from pray tell?

    Unfortunately investing in ETFs is a stupid idea in Ireland due to our crazy taxation system so one has to do things indirectly

    Still not found the costing for the offshore wind plan?



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