Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Pearl Harbour was relevant for six years of WW2, 9/11 was relevant for a decade, the PIRA used Bloody Sunday for 20 years, and you are calling on Israel to forget about 7/10 after six weeks?

Some people think that. Most don't. The only solution is a peaceful solution.

Some people who say they want peace, don't really, and contribute to the violence even without ever picking up a weapon. They're as big a part of the problem as those who do take up arms.

Or how much conflict and death do you think should be expected per year on an ongoing basis? Because, I've news for you, occupying or erasing Palestine will do nothing to make Israel safer.

If you're referring to the IRA's campaign of terror against the British mainland in the mid-late 20th century, there are two massive differences between the IRA attacks on Britain and the conflict in Israel.

1. The IRA never controlled Ireland, our government never supported terrorist attacks on Britain.
2. The conflict between the IRA and Britain was never a fight to the death. The IRA never sought to destroy Britain, only to remove it from Northern Ireland. Had they "won," there was never any question of a United Ireland going on the offensive and driving the Protestants into the sea from the British mainland.

Neither of these applies to Israel/Palestinians - Hamas are the government of Gaza and their goal is the extermination of the Jews and the complete destruction of Israel in its entirety.

Let them leave. And learn as the UK is learning that it is better to be within a group with shared interests you've signed up to than outside it demanding co-operation.

Russia is no longer the power it thinks it is or used to be. China absolutely is, but I believe China is pragmatic also and if it is seen to be outside the sphere of cooperation and influence, it will look for a diplomatic solution.

I'm being very optimistic here, the actions of the last month have made what I am talking about impossible from even being mentioned for at least ten years and possibly much longer than that.

Military focus of groups/governments/nations has brought nothing but pain/suffering/death and economic hardship for those who initiated it for the last 100+ years. Alternative methods of diplomacy should be prioritized at all times to avoid this.

What retribution do you think Palestinians in the West Bank are entitled to in response for all the murders and deaths associated with settling six hundred thousand Israelis there?

So if the IRA did actually do that, do you think total war and annihilation by the British would have been warranted?

@Tell me how - "Lets tone back the graphic descriptions of what is happening."

Let's not. From my experience very few people actually know what sort of savagery went on that day. Kids tied up together and set on fire, people beheaded with blunt instruments, etc. Not just jews either, it included arabs and far eastern labourers, etc.

I find that a lot of people change their mind once they are aware. Perhaps that's why our Ceann Comhairle refused to watch it.

I can't speak for the poster you're referring to, but if the IRA was the official government in Ireland during the Troubles and their objective was the complete destruction of the UK and the extermination of all British people, then I suspect things would have been a little different. Fortunately, neither of those things were true.

A few of the civilians sheltering there will be forced to wear Hamas uniforms and hold a weapon for the cameras.

Do Hamas actually have a recognised uniform? I doubt they would wear it if they did.

Yeah, you want to go tit for tat with examples of horrific brutality and death.

That's a bit messed up if you ask me. Both in wanting to keep mentioning it but also in thinking that the manner in which a life is taken somehow changes the level of sympathy that should be afforded to the victim.

I'd go so far as to call that act dehumanizing.

The IDF callously flattened the body of a dead man in to the ground with a tank, how much retribution should be meted out for that? They dragged the body of a dead man behind a jeep a couple weeks ago, with several other IDF soldiers walking past like they were just walking down the street going for a pint of milk.

The path to ultimate peace is either one of acceptance, collaboration and shared accountability.

Or the antihalation and subjugation of the entirety of one side such that they can never again realistically attempt to attain freedom.

I will never stop advocating for peace in areas where there is no definitive aggressor (such as is the case in Ukraine). I'm not going to impact anything, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to advocate based on my own morals.

So are you disagreeing with the response then, if you call the consequences of the response horrific? I would agree that Israel is under no obligation supply water electricity in the long term , but if they do it immediately with no temporary replacement in to cover it and this leads to civilian deaths then it must be considered wrong.

That poster is showing that they don't see two lives as being equal in value or merit.

Their reason for this, only they know.

The fact that the ratio of death at this point is 10 Palestinians for each Israeli and the poster is still advocating for Israeli force suggests that they think 1 Israeli life is worth more than 10 Palestinians.

I think by the bodycount of dead children in Gaza as a result of this operation that it would be an uphill argument to categorise their methods as least harmful. I mean if you looking at it objectively.