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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    and where is the rugby being shown and the FAI sub? Not RTE

    the GAA is only an add on to the FTA a side show really and only online, same with the FAI League

    how are they going to charge for the like of room to improve and who is going to pay it

    that money thing



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Execpt for RTE radio 1 the star of the show for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Anything else is redundant since it's available elsewhere.


    Anything else? Irish language? Documentaries? Arts Programming? Drama?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Field east


    I assume that if contractor contracts are renewed - or they no longer exist when up- that the max payment will be Bkhurst’s salary

    or less . Outstanding question is how will RTE account for the perks, if any ,that Bakhurst receives. When negotiating the new contract/ salary arrangements?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You just stated

    neither the GAA FAI or IRFU want it

    They are all subscription based in the majority.

    how are they going to charge for the like of room to improve and 

    Bank transfer? Again this isn't really reinventing the wheel here.

    who is going to pay it

    Me.

    I'm already paying for something I don't watch, it would be novel to pay something I do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I 100% agree.

    The public broadcasting remit has to be redefined and funded from general taxation.

    Everything else has to be paid for by user.

    You protect the integrity of the remit, whilst incentivising the creation of valued content whilst given the public the option of not paying directly.

    No such option exists at the moment in reality, it's up to the household to prove they don't have a device that can't show a broadcast.

    It's archaic in the extreme, it's why you get loose breezed Politian's floating the idea of internet taxes or Revenue collection.

    Netflix don't send around some stern looking woman to look in your window, they just cut you off if you haven't paid.

    An Post get 6% of the licence fee to enforce the licence, we have one the highest evasion rates in Europe.

    It's a clown show at every level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    oh god you will still have to pay for the FTA, which is 80% of the content

    the IRFU GAA FAI are not in the majority sub based, mostly free to air

    anything not free to air, RTE doesnt have it

    You are suggesting they invest a lot of money into a service no one wants at a price no one will pay with no content on a medium which is dying

    how much would you pay to watch room to improve, you are currently paying to not watch it, will you now choose to pay to not watch it when you have the choice not to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    oh god you will still have to pay for the FTA, which is 80% of the content

    the IRFU GAA FAI are not in the majority sub based, mostly free to air

    Quietly clearly they are not.

    Internationals, Inter County Championship are not the majority of content.

    how much would you pay to watch room to improve, you are currently paying to not watch it, will you now choose to pay to not watch it when you have the choice not to

    You are missing the point, the point is I have no choice but to pay for it Right now , unless I make some substantial investment in my hardware and even at that they are trying to close that loop hole.

    But again Ireland and the UK would be outliers when comes to having to have a broad range of content FTA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,706 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The government seem to have folded very quickly with this bailout. Catherine Martin in particular is keeping a low profile.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    they are indeed the majority of the content that anyone watches

    anything that is behind a sub, RTE does not have it. How can they sell what they don't have

    you wont pay for room to improve, no one will, so I'm all for letting it die

    why suggest they invest a load of money in a subscription service no one will pay for, that wouldn't be anywhere near financially viable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Every single country in Europe have terrestrial based subscription services with premium content.

    But for some reason Ireland can't.

    We will just have to stick with paying 20 million to our Postal Service to send a stern looking woman around so.

    you wont pay for room to improve, no one will, so I'm all for letting it die

    Opinion not based on reality, it is one of the most popular shows in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    sure should we get capita to collect it instead?

    like the UK

    what do you mean territorial based subscription service? You mean terrestrial?

    UK is freeview... FREE

    Licence fee

    That is what we compete with

    the english speaking neighbour thats 10 times bigger than us

    France compete with.......

    Portugal competes with....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's like talking to someone who couldn't see streaming catching on in 2010, but in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    you are suggesting a DTT sub service be introduced in 202...5? is it

    Hilarious

    You have been out boggled once again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yes. You know like every other service is right now or going.

    Basically an alternative to what will actually happen.

    And make no mistake, the government for decades have enabled RTE to become a bloated mess propped up with mediocrity.

    The shock and anger at the PAC is just smoke and mirrors. RTE preformed their Sorry not Sorry and are still walking away with 60 odd million with pinkie promises of "reform".

    The high ranking civil servants in governance are like accountants, they see the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

    This horse and pony show is a precursor to shoe horn the in broadcast charge, whether you watch RTE or not you pay.

    They see the reported 60m in evasion costs, 20 million An Post get for doing a terrible job and associated costs with chasing all that through the courts.

    Basically they purely see away to claw back that 100 million.

    None of that though addresses the core issue.

    The quality of programming, just people will now have no choice but to pay for the absolute scutter.

    We will be having the same conversation in 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    No country is going for subscription DTT, it is the preserve of free to air

    the rest is classic boggling

    ignore where you are wrong yet again and just throw out a load of nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The idea of introducing a subscription service for RTEs content outside of news and current affairs is both interesting and absurd at the same time. It's an interesting idea in that those that want this kind of content should pay for it, it is also absurd in that no one would actually pay for it.

    You could say that sport is the big draw, but most if not all big Irish sporting occasions are mandated to be free to air iirc. What you'd be left with then is rump sport along with imports and the largely shite home made stuff. This kind of service would not survive once the startup capital runs out.

    Presumably there must be some kind of EU competition exemption for the likes of RTE as the license fee support gives it a huge advantage over the likes of virgin.

    I was once a big supporter of RTE and indeed can remember supporting licence fee compliance here 10-15 years ago - little did I know and rather ironically RTE was at its most profligate at that point. I've been on a long journey since, watching quality diminish and obvious taking of editorial stances. And the quality diminishment in News is not the kind you can attribute to cost cutting, but the acceptance of the seeping of personal views through reports and editing.

    My personal belief is that RTE is no longer fit for purpose as a national independent public service broadcaster and that it should be closed. In its place, a national news service (only news, no opinion) consisting of a single radio and TV station should be created instead. Additionally a public service commissioning office should be set up to finance docs, dramas and other minority productions and these would be sold/given to the private licensed TV broadcasters who would be mandated by their license to hold PSB slots in their schedule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Apart from the UK who want to abolish the license fee and go for a sink or swim model.

    They is also substantial calls for it in Germany and France scrapped theirs last year.

    Classic monkeybutter, something something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    you must have been pretty naive to not realize what RTE was 15 years ago - 20 -25 year ago

    the height of gerry ryan, he was being paid a lot more than Tubs and might have started the whole contractor fiasco

    Virgin can't even be bothered to broadcast in HD, they or not fit for any purpose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I look forward to the "stars" testing the private market when it comes to contract negotiations, its going swimmingly well for Tubs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I was fairly green behind the ears back then but I did think that on the whole they did a good job. I was willing to look past Ryan and the others obscene salaries on that basis.

    I should have known that the "Talent" salaries were just the visible surface decay of a much deeper penetrating structural rot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭gotaf


    Sounds like Dermot Bannon should just go it alone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Yesterday's simultaneous announcements of RTE cost saving measures and the Government interim funding clearly show that the Government had input into Backhurst's strategic plan. To me the most striking thing about the plan was the commitment to more regional content, with the expansion of RTE's activities in Cork. None of the recent criticism of RTE on this thread or anywhere else relates to the lack of content produced in the regions. Nobody has withheld their TV license fees this year because RTE Cork was too small. Why does RTE see the need to expand in Cork at this time? This will lead to a duplication of activities and an increase in costs. Why would the Government sanction a measure that would lead to an increase in costs rather than a saving? Who in the ministry for finance, for instance, could possibly see a benefit in RTE expanding its operations in Cork South Central? 

    The bailout will only cover the next 12 months and Bakhurst will be back with the begging bowl next year when license fee receipts fall away to nothing. What kind of concessions to politicians will RTE need to make to secure funding for future years?

    The Government will not reform the license fee before the next election. That means that the task falls to Sinn Fein. The shinners have often complained about how they're treated by RTE, with the former regularly sending legal letters to the latter. I expect these solicitors will be less active from now on and I anticipate more favourable coverage of Sinn Fein by RTE in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He essentially has, he works for Coco not RTE.

    Room to Improve was also sold to a station in the UK.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    The "plan" was worded like....nearly every other annual report/plan by RTE over the years. "A new direction" ffs. Who writes this sh|te and how much are they getting paid :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭gotaf


    Ah interesting, so CoCo own it and not rte is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yes. A lot of what RTE show is produced by other companies.

    The vast majority of it being "reality" tv.

    Bottom of the barrel stuff. But unfortunately a lot of that would actually garner a audience, so if the formula works, the formula gets repeated.

    So we get treated to the likes of Dancing with the Stars and Home of the Year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I'm sure Disney is tripping over themselves to sign Dermot Bannon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭rock22


    I assume that the DG is paid €250000 for full time job. i.e. at least 35 hour week. As far as I see, Non of the talent do more than 20 hours a week. So will they be paid pro-rata, i.e. about €145000 or is it RTE's intention to pay them €250000 for part time job?



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