Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Sure loads will be going home to Ukraine for Christmas holidays with a double week Christmas bonus in their back pockets before returning to their free accommodation here in the new year, without penalty or forfeit. You seriously couldn't make this stuff up!

Can you name me a mainstream party who won’t get lifted out of it at the doors come election time?

because they are all up to their necks in it

There is no end goal..

not at EU or national level.

the long term guess from me is that in 50 years there won’t be an EU….unless it can get an about turn on its mindset to asylum / protection / immigration and start becoming practical, careful and loyal in terms of prioritising its paymasters ie. us EU citizens….the EU is pretty much solely funded by US, it’s paymasters… if another big hitter…say Spain, Italy, France, Germany quit, the rest will fall like a house of cards… your Varadkars won’t give a flying fûck… he’ll be sat back in luxury, a millionaire laughing at us all..

people across the continent will eventually kick up. We are only at the very beginning of this trouble…. The real consequences of what’s happening haven’t manifested themselves as yet. But in the end I’m predicting the EU will implode…

countries will be overpopulated, overwhelmed, underfunded and under resourced to cope . Dystopia will reign, no housing, no public transport, no easily accessible healthcare…crime rates will increase, they are increasing significantly here… we don’t have the Garda numbers or prison places to cope…..

the lunatics are running the asylum in Brussels, the Dàil is like an outpatient department… with Dr Varadkar in charge and poor Michael with his nerves not knowing where to look, what to say or where to turn to next…

CSO figures on crime are not good reading…rates of violent crime is now crazy high.

This is all known by politicians, it’s acknowledged by many but…. 🤷‍♂️ is their response. Also the IRPT report that ‘non’ Irish are way over represented in Irish jails… it was 1 out of 7 last time I saw the numbers last year.

It's bonkers that this issue is in the forefront of every irish person's concern up and down the country. And yet we have zero public representatives taking it up and holding the government to account. Even just for the lack of planning ahead for the numbers arriving.

What is their excuse? The Housing crisis and Health System was already bad before bringing in 100k+ refugees. What did they think was going to happen?

I read a study a few years back from Netherlands that found refugees were a net fiscal burden for the duration of their lives. The study was comprehensive and followed test cases for like 15 or 20 years. Today, if you search google that article is long gone, replaced with obviously curated results all saying the exact opposite. All of them sourcing globalist NGOs. Makes me think this is part of a broader objective and gives me a bad feeling in my gut. I don't like it one bit.

The only ones that are mentioning this are the likes of Carol Nolan in Offaly and a couple of the other independents. The party TDs are either ideologically fixated on this issue - I'm looking at Roderic and Joe O'Brien (formerly of the Immigrant Council of Ireland) and the rest of the greens, or are whipped into submission. Expect some more to start breaking ranks to save their skins. It's a bit like the prisoners dilemma, the first one to break gets the benefits. Once it starts it could be difficult to stop, but that last bit is just some speculation on my part.

I'm not surprised that studies are being hidden, and replaced with happy clappy ones saying that all is rosy in the garden. There's a lot of money and a definite push for this at a supranational level. People can make their own minds up about what the reasons for this might be.

Not literally true. Some government TDs are making critical noises around the edges of the issue

But I'm not aware of any calling for wholesale changes in national policy and I'd be surprised if there are any before the general election

If they are on HAP or other government supports, they are getting plenty of financial help from the govt. Especially if they live in Dublin.

Someone on the dole is not paying 2k a month to rent their one bed apartment. The govt is paying it.

The politicians who use the "international obligations" answer never provide any details.

What, exactly, are these obligations?

AFAIK, the EU does not request us or require us to take in any specific amount of UKR refugees? Does it?

I presume some UN convention requires us to hear the case made by AS? Fair enough.

My suggestion is that we hear the cases, and make the response within a week.

Other european counties seem to have no issue turning off the tap.

They need to get a grip on reality soon or the door will open for much worse alternatives. It’s stunning the lack of decisive political leadership in this country. It’s just a glorified county council. If I hear international obligations one more time. Every country should be entitled to put a Filter on what comes into the country regardless of whatever obligations. What’s the point in having a country otherwise.

Ukrainian citizens are admitted to Ireland under the EU's Temporary Protection Directive (designed to deal with a sudden mass movement of people into the EU). But no, there is no legal obligation on Ireland to admit them....everything that has happened so far has been entirely voluntary.

To my knowledge though, no country in the EU has refused to take Ukrainian people and even non-EU states like Norway, Switzerland, Albania, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Georgia have taken considerable numbers.

I wouldn't see any issue at all with the government saying it has run out of capacity for Ukrainian refugees, especially as there was never any particular 'legal' obligation to take them in the first place. There certainly would be a problem with reducing the payments either - even some Ukrainian people here have said they think the payments are too high.

Oh they’re getting support alright, but not free as it is for the Ukrainians

It is real. Maybe not so much in this country. But in other European countries it is very much a real and absolute threat. And Ireland does not exist in a vacuum. A few like minded countries could have devastating consequences for the entire continent. It’s time mainstream politicians faced reality on this issue.