Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sorry what's fantastical about it?

I'm fierce sure it's been spouted many, many times in this thread, 'sure why doesn't Hamas have all the civilians in the tunnels with them' etc.,

So what's so fantastical about the comparison to other nations that have tunnels under civilian infrastructure?

Not to mention they do their luxury... shopping.. in the tunnels... and uhm ... ahem -- paragliders and the like. so like IDK what to say to you there.

Omar Shaban, a Gaza economist, estimated that smuggling comprised about 90% of market activity in the area and is worth around $30-$40 million a month. The tunnels, he said, were “integrated into the economy. We have a new economic structure now, a new business community.” 

Or is what I just read propaganda, you tell me: https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/Data/pdf/PDF_08_262_2.pdf

in your time

Oh is that the plan? Only ash like snow on the surface? Not a bit of civilian infrastructure left standing? Off to the Sinai?

Or at least, I observe, that's what many of your posts have advocated for (which many experts bluntly point out, is ethnic cleansing). So that's what I assumed this post meant also. Apologies and please correct me if I have it wrong.

Seeing as he doubled down on it, I don't think it was sarcastic, but valiant defence.

The video you appear to be referring to is from CNN. CNN made it clear that there were restrictions (no facial identifications of mast IDF personnel for instance). But CNN also stated that they were allowed to take away whatever they filmed, without any pre-editing or censorship.

If it is a fake, then CNN must be stupid beyond belief. Which I don't think is the case.

Israel raise the flag over Al-Shifa hospital.

Propaganda from boards.ie posters.

You need a break from it lad.

Israel are really trying to garner the ire of the world. Who is advising their politicians and military commanders? People had so much sympathy for the Israeli people after the barbaric attacks on Oct 7 but somehow Israel have turned it around with an illegal massacre and untold destruction. It's like they had this annihilation plan all along and just waited for the moment to enact it.

Where are all the genocide cheerleaders gone

Ehh lets see.

Lets pretend I am foreigner working in hospital in Gaza, that is run by hamas, and I should tell the world they are using the hospital as a base.

I wonder how that would work out for me.

If I was a woman I might expect to be, you know, gang raped as per their norm before they kill me and if I was a man I would expect swift throat slitting. Then they claim I was killed in Israeli bomb.

FFS I really often wonder what age people are here.

Oh before you argue they could say something if they have already left, they might realise others they would care about would suffer in their place.

And how does anyone know that ex workers from there haven't fed information to security services in secret about what is going on?

The arguments here are fooking ridiculous.

An army is trying to rid an area of enemy fighters, they are on tight schedule so they decide to just hang around outside a hospital and not continue with an advance. A major reason for not pushing on is to not leave pockets of resistance to your rear.

This is a proper military with decades of experience fighting, often employing fast moving advances, not a fooking shambles like our own.

But the anti Israeli experts here claim they are hanging around because they just don't like hospitals in Gaza.

There is anger bubbling in some communities in Germany about the political classes' perceived reluctance to criticise Israel.

Surely, that can be addressed by explaining to those communities that Hamas started the current war and is using Palestinian civilians in Gaza as human shields, can't it?

Hundreds of medical staff with no remaining relations in Gaza including Irish doctors and nurses have worked in Al Shifa hospital over the years. Are they all just pretending that the Hamas headquarters is not at the hospital too?

No.

Yeah it's gone from "there are no tunnels" to "well there are but Israel built them" and "it's all normal anyway for storms and earthquakes". Literally not one person claimed that Israel built the tunnels before maybe yesterday? The prior line was that they don't exist.

Everyone knows tunnels exists in Gaza. Weeks ago people here said there were 500km of tunnels. They found SFA in the Israeli built Al-Shifa tunnels (Hamas HQ). Fine. Whatever. How does all this tunnel talk justify bombing hospitals all over Gaza and preventing fuel/power/water/food and medical supplies getting into these hospitals? Israel have normalised the bombing of hospitals for you now?? Can they flatten ever hospital with the "but there is a tunnel" excuse?? It's ok to shut down two thirds of medical facilities during a war??

I'll leave you there, arguing absurd counterfactual strawmen.

No such thing has happened to the healthcare workers at the hospital.

Honestly.