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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    A lot of those names were built up by fools.

    it’s a lot different to some of the players now. Ferguson and Collins and bazunu that have price tags or transfer fees between 15 and 125 million.

    saying potential means nothing is a reductive foolish statement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭randd1


    What we're doing now isn't cutting it either, but a solid structure may be the difference in getting a result or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Well collins and Baz arent exactly living up to those big price tags. if you include cullen in your list, I have to question how you judge a player, cullen is a journeyman.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    There’s realism and pessimism. And you’re overly pessimistic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    You have your head in the sand. if Bazunu went up for sale now, what would the price be?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Ferguson is up for sale now and his price is 115 million. Why only focus on the negative. That’s why I call you a pessimist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭crusd


    Ebosle is starting in Serie A every week. Manning performing excellently at the top of the Championship, not a world beater but a solid option, Cullen a solid player who can play a role. And a team at the level Ireland strive to be at is always going to have to make do with few players who are solid but can fulfil roles in a system. Hodge and Moran are the type of players we needed to come through to make a functional team, which is exactly what I said in the post - "type of player". Even if they dont reach the very top of the game they are a player of a type we have not had coming through for years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Serie A isnt what is used to be. championship means nothing.

    we will see but I wouldnt count my chickens with a lot of them, the exact same things were said about gavin kilkenny a few years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭pgj2015




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭crusd


    You seem to have interpreted "makings of a good team starting to come through" as "going to be brilliant"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,184 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    we always have the makings of a good team but look at us now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭crusd


    Look at Croatia, who are operating a level and playing a brand of football we could only dream of. Most of their players are in the lower reaches of Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga and a handful of smaller leagues and their own domestic league, with a couple of stars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭CorkRed93


    not really a serious comparison but im sure you know this



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭crusd


    How is it not? One of the top sides in Europe has most of its players playing at a level equivalent to lower half of the Premier league and top of the the Championship. Ireland is starting to get more of our players playing at similar levels. Nowhere near enough to get to Croatia's level but more than a few years ago. A poster however tells us that this means those players aren't good enough and they definitely should not think about trying to play positive football



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭CorkRed93


    croatia have 3 players in midfield who would be our greatest ever if they played for ireland. modric is one of the best of all time. the fact you bring up they have players in their squad playing in the domestic league yet they can play well at international level.... i'll let that one with you for a while as to why its so incomparable to ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    I’m not saying that there is a host of great players ready to come through or that you are wrong about Cullen etc but comments like “potential means nothing” or the “championship is meaningless” are wide of the mark



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭crusd


    There seems to be a reading comprehension issue going on here?

    "Look at Croatia, who are operating a level and playing a brand of football we could only dream of. Most of their players are in the lower reaches of Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga and a handful of smaller leagues and their own domestic league, with a couple of stars"

    Note, nowhere was it claimed that we are close to their level. What is comparable is that most of their squad are playing at a level that an increasing but still small number of our squad are exposed to. Yet we are not permitted by some to suggest that these players may be capable of playing a positive style of football



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭randd1


    On the next World Cup, with the expansion of the tournament, UEFA has 16 slots available.

    UEFA are planning smaller groups for this qualifying, with 12 groups of 4/5 teams, top side straight into the World Cup. The 12 runners up, and the 4 highest ranked Nations League sides will be split into 4 knockout groups of 4 based on seedings, with each group consisting of two SF's and a final, with the winners of each group going to the World Cup.

    So there's a solid chance we can at least make the playoffs if we get a decent draw. And with a smaller group, there's every chance a couple of decent results could see us directly.

    So at the very least going forwarded, whoever the manager is you'd be hoping that with the smaller group they'd have some sort of a plan in place, because at the moment I can't see Kenny's style of play getting us anywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Cullen has been poison for us. A big part of the problem when it comes to us repeatedly conceding long-range goals and being so porous in an area of the pitch he should be commanding. I mean he contributes f all going forward so it's not much to ask for improvements in the limited things that are his remit.

    Smallbone has been lightweight as well so far.

    Those two players in particular would be getting slaughtered if they were Irish. Look at the abuse Hendrick gets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,548 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    He will be gone now after this round of games as results this evening ended all hopes of Ireland still having an outside chance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    He'll be gone because he lost every significant match ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,548 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    If that was the case he would have gone a long time ago the FAI just couldn’t afford to pay him off if they sacked him

    He has of tonight has officially failed to qualify so that is the end of his contract and they don’t have to pay him off now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,492 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He had failed to qualify before the start of the summer. The problem for soccer was they had to be seen to give a LOI manager his full chance

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,290 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    maybe we can have a cult of Pat Dolan thread next, or the cult of Liam Buckley….

    seeing as the FAI are determined to listen to the wants, whims and obsessions of their LOI fan mob who have no doubt masturbated themselves into a state of dehydration since Kerr & now Kenny have taken over the Ireland team…

    Stephen Kenny and his cohorts failed at every opportunity to qualify for a tournament.

    Brian Kerr and his cohorts failed at every opportunity to qualify for a tournament.

    they were both afforded great time, support, resources and opportunity, and more then one campaign….

    so, they’ve nobody to blame but themselves….

    the greatest leaders / managers all have one thing in common… when their back is against the wall, when their resources are stretched or limited, when they are behind the 8 ball, when they are written off…. They find a way….

    our teams are now never near being in a position to even find that sort of ‘pull it out of the fire’ recovery…

    no goals in the team, little composure, bad decisions on the sideline…..a mess… the qualifying table reflects this..

    with a bit of luck we might have a gem in Ferguson….. we probably need another three… but what will help is a manager with guile, top level experience, the ability to motivate and tactically facilitate a limited team to get results greater than which the sum of their talent might suggest possible…

    Kenny has failed…. The FAI has failed….but do the FAI learn from their mistakes ? Highly fücking doubtful…the culture of decision making in that organisation is so very shït.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Brian Kerr wasn't the worst and should not be put in the kenny or Staunton category of shitness. He took over for the euros after Ireland had already lost their first two opening matchs and the team was still was in with a shot of qualifying on the last group match. In the next world cup qualifying campaign which had france and Switzerland in our group we lost 1 out of 10 matchs.

    He lost 2 out of 16 competitive matchs in total. But we did indeed have far better players then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭CorkRed93


    what a post at 3am. are the LOI mob in the room with you now ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hearing rumours of Kenny being actually given a new contract. The FAI have no money and they want Kenny to remain but with less pay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭TokTik


    This cannot be true. The FAI are a disaster, but not this much of a disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    That wouldn't surprise me. We won't be qualifying for US/Canada/Mexico in 2026 so with everyone over the age of 12 in the country getting a cap from Kenny.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭CorkRed93


    Daryl Horgan on 2nd captains is a good listen on the Irish camp



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