Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Lebanon: Israeli Strike an Apparent War Crime | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)

Lebanon: Israeli Strike an Apparent War Crime

Three Children, Grandmother Killed in Their Car.

(Beirut) – An unlawful Israeli strike on a family in a car on November 5, 2023, should be investigated as an apparent war crime, Human Rights Watch said today. The attack killed three girls and their grandmother and wounded their mother.

The family had been traveling from south Lebanon to Beirut in the late afternoon, following heavy shelling by Israeli forces in the area earlier that day, Samir Ayoub, the girls’ uncle, said in a televised interview the night of the attack. Ayoub, a journalist, was traveling in a separate car in front of the car that was hit.

Hardly unbiased is she?

Her in response to the initial atrocity by Hamas:

'A United Nations expert on Palestine has said she doesn't blame Hamas for the conflict in Gaza, comparing it to her children misbehaving - and said the terror attacks were a 'natural' response to Israeli rule.'

Since Israel don't actually "rule" Gaza I think it says it all about her 🙈🙉

Wow, with people like that holding positions of influence within the UN it's easy to understand why Israel regards the UN as a hostile player.

Considering her pronouncements on the topic to date it's hard to see how she could be described as an expert.

Are the US who are illegally occupying areas of Syria terrorists or freedom fighters. Do they have the right to self defense if they are attacked in Syria ?

Both Russia and Israel are occupiers, so both can't play the self defence card. That's my take on it wrt the occupied territories.

So in your eyes are Israel occupiers?

If Russia was launching missiles from civilian areas would Ukraine have the right to try and destroy those launch sites?

Who controlled Gaza before Israel?

Russia invaded Ukraine without being attacked first. Israel occupied Gaza when it was controlled by Egypt, after Egypt had used it as a invasion point in a war they started against Israel. It then withdrew from Gaza when it thought the threat to it's security was low. It's invaded after being attacked because a Hamas run Gaza again poses a threat to its security.

Really now, if you just think about it for a few minutes, do you really think your comparison stands up to any sort of scrutiny?

I think you know the answer to this or you're just not following the progress of the Russian invasion. Where do you think Russia has been launching missiles from? The only reason Ukraine has limited attacks of military infrastructure inside Russian territory is due to pressure from it's supporters to not escalate the conflict further.

Exactly. Suggesting that Israel can't attack Hamas launch sites and staging posts because the IDF have invaded Gaza is nonsensical.

Crickets incoming

Yes, that's where the contradiction is in his post. If, as he says,Hamas were there, and made preparations to leave why would they leave behind anything incriminating? Will it be now that they were absent minded and forgot about these rifles? It kind of reminds me of an article I saw in the Daily Telegraph concerning where Saddam had his WMD hidden. It was very detailed- mapping everything. I have a sense of de ja vu about all this

Live: EU's Borrell urges Israel not to be 'consumed by rage' (rte.ie)

UN experts point to evidence of 'genocidal incitement' against Palestinians

A group of United Nations experts said there was "evidence of increasing genocidal incitement" against the Palestinian people in what it said were "grave violations" committed by Israel.

"We are deeply disturbed by the failure of governments to heed our call and to achieve an immediate ceasefire," the group of experts, which included several UN special rapporteurs, said in a statement.

"We are also profoundly concerned about the support of certain governments for Israel's strategy of warfare against the besieged population of Gaza, and the failure of the international system to mobilise to prevent genocide."

UN experts had previously warned that the Palestinian people were at "grave risk of genocide".

No? I think we're supposed to be outraged that Hamas deliberately chose to launch a terror assault with the explicit aim of murdering as many civilians as possible. There's a stark difference between that and fighting back.

If Hamas had solely struck military targets on October 7th, reaction to and perception of Hamas would have been quite different.

I mean no-one was surprised the IRA existed, and understood why even if they didn't support their actions, but if they walked into London or Manchester and murdered 1,000+ UK civilians in a terror attack, they would have lost all credibility and support and the hammer would have come down, hard.

I mean look at the Omagh Bombing, around 30 civilians killed, sparked an enormous international reaction and huge damage to the dissident cause.