Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

No, you are wrong. You cannot keep repeating this. Its wrong and it displays your lack of understanding. Lets dissect your language in the key sentence below

"once Hamas commits another war crime, by using hospitals, schools and refugee camps as shields for legitimate military targets, their status changes."

"once Hamas commits another war crime...." Jesus H, is this the level? very high level intro there? what do you mean?

"...by using hospitals, schools and refugee camps as shields for legitimate military targets" where is the proof? oh right... but there are tunnels...which article are you referring to? Israel must have proof (see below re harmful acts)

" their status changes" Their status changes to what? Come on, some detail...a link maybe? Their status changes to "looking for work" maybe? Single? A Bird? again, what article? thrill us with your acumen.

1/10 for that effort.

Here is the actual article.

Article 19

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.

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There were no acts harmful to the enemy from within the hospital.

There was no evacuation plan or warning.

The small arms found (planted) did not remove the protection.

Having a tunnel running under a hospital, school, camp does not make it a legitimate target!!

To sum up, you are spoofing.

Still with this blinkered view on the topic of hostages.

Can you tell us why you put so much importance on Israeli hostages nearly to the point that if they were release that there would be peace in the region 30 minutes later and yet you refuse (as much as I can see) to acknowledge the tenfold numbers of Palestinians held without charge by Israel.

There's been repeated examples of Hamas offering to release hostages (for a ceasefire window and for prisoner exchange) and yet Israel has refused to entertain this idea.

Not to mention the hostages killed by Israel in its indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

You've posted a lot about the justification of over 10K Palestinian deaths because of the deaths of 1200 Israelis, and you comment so much about the importance of about 200 Israeli hostages while ignoring completely the 2000 odd Palestinian prisoners held without charge.

It's very hard to not deduce from this that in the eyes of some, one Israeli life is equal in value to about ten Palestinian lives.

Not just me, the EU are calling for it too. As is the US.

Why do you put so much importance on what Arab countries and the likes of Cuba and Venezuela are calling for?

Article 55. That's what I mean. Article 19 as well for instance. Do you agree or disagree that Israel needs to recognize the ICC and be held accountable for charges of war crimes under such international laws?

Argumentum ad hominem. I don't have any prejudices against Israel, everything I have posted in this thread about Israel is based on data and evidence. One cannot hope to claim someone else's argument is illogical... by engaging in ad hominem, a categorical fallacy.

If Israel does not 'accede' to international law then it is not accepting any accountability for it's actions nor taking that claim that it is "acting within it" to task. No mere person can argue they are "acting within it" that is up for courts to decide, that is the only approach that is logical. But Israel doesn't recognize a court that could do any such thing. That is the problem.

Even here you discard Article 55 like it doesn't apply -- one person making the argument when 'this doesn't apply or 'they're acting within that', doesn't bring about agreement, much less a peace solution. QED.

The solutions you provide are not really solutions they are slogans that don't really address the real situation. How can there be peace between the 2 states when 1 side is accountable to the ICC but the other never is?

If you are looking to trivialize one 'side' of the peace process, how is there ever going to be a peace process?

Is a Venezuelan voice not just as loud as an Irish voice or a Japanese voice or a Cuban voice or an Israeli voice?

If Palestine is accountable to the ICC but Israel is not, how is peace achieved?

The IDF seemingly want to sideskirt this by putting their foot in their mouth so often and declaring everyone still in north gaza to be a combatant. You even have US congressmen comparing the innocent civilians to Nazis. 'they aren't civil they're savages' etc.

or the more sophist, 'they aren't even a civilization so how can they have civil rights'

Savages is the buzzword coming out of spox mouth the most (and then after, 'Nazis' 'worse than hitler' 'animals')

I'm sure the mickey mouse connection here to the trail of tears etc is you know, just trivial coincidence

Into the 2nd day of looking for Hamas in a hospital, still turning up 'scant evidence'

Free link

Sure though, I already saw that IDF officer in front of both CNN and ABC check behind the curtains. Where are they?

(xerox effect hasn't been kind to life of brian reposters on youtube)

Radio silence once again when asked to look at a Palestinian and an Israeli as being people of equal value.

Despicable.

I wonder if the big yellow Toyota 'jeep' that a poster told us goes up and down the tunnels was booby-trapped.

What about the 2,000 Palestinians or more detained without either trial or charge in the West Bank since October the 7th?

This entire Hamas Command Centre in the hospital is very embarrassing for the US as they swallowed the Israeli excuse to commit war crimes and now that nothing substantial was found they will find it hard to save face. A few old rusty guns that the Israelis probably brought in when the egg on their faces solidified does not cut the mustard.

Also, how would a few guns in a hospital in Gaza city pose a danger to Israel? I'm not sure they've even thought this one out.

so Israel do still control the rafah crossing?

Is it kind of accepted then that Israel are an occupying force. If Egypt need approval from them for border crossings with gaza.