Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Yep, Israel and others have been dehumanising Gazans for a long time now. It's disgusting.

Is there a rational politician in Israel? They all seem to be unhinged!!

Very mature approach by Republicans to the UN resolution that Israel rejected out of hand 10 mins after it passed

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4313131-desantis-pledges-to-strip-un-funding-after-latest-israel-hamas-resolution-passes/

Meanwhile: tiktok freaking out when they learned that 9/11 was not for so simple a reason as "they hate our freedom TM", something which has resurfaced in the discussion about the Gaza conflict

Fox retracts kneejerk claim it made to defend Israel from critics of ethnic cleansing actions

“I was wrong when I expressly said that Pakistan had expelled Palestinians. The government there is, in fact, kicking out 1.7 million people and what they’re called a ‘tiered repatriation.’ Pakistan says those people are there illegally — they’re illegal immigrants. Now, here’s who they are: mostly Afghans who have tried to flee the Taliban. Some Uyghurs, ethnic Muslims who are facing genocide in China. And some from Iran and other places. So, I want to set the record straight — it is a mixed group of people, mostly Afghans being expelled.”

It was blatant whataboutery on the spot:

Which she still hadn't bothered to check herself on days later:

Interesting on BBC just now in the MRI room where the guns were found in the hospital. The reporter mentioned they were found close to bags of medical supplies in bags next to them. A shame that barcode is not a bit clearer

Yes I saw that on the 6 news. The War on Hospitals is going at a great pace. Looking forward to IDF's new movie "Hamas HQ The Sequel". I hear it will have extra DVDs and chairs. They might even open the grab bag this time.

Yeah, an MRI machine...

Unless those rifles were put there recently, or the Hospital hasn't been running MRI's in who knows how long, that cannot be true. Those rusty rifles would have to have been there for a long time, and it doesn't seem that likely.

Immediate unconditional release and Israeli leadership surrenders to the ICC by the same logic.

Jerusalem Post have stuff on it. For example 4 IDF were killed by a BT and others suffered serious injuries per the interview with a medic but I can’t remember which website the interview was on it.

I know I know it’s Israeli media.

Looks like a big discovery is about to be made shortly.

Just speculating here but Egypt must have to at least tell them roughly x vehicles etc. are going to cross in at x time, or x is expected to come out to Egypt (and have that approved).

They don't want the Irsaeli airforce to bomb whatever is moving on the roads in Gaza or bomb supplies they are sending in etc.

Afair Israel has done airstrikes close to that crossing.

I thought they were the occupying power (?).

I mean pre this crisis they did not day to day administer the details of what is going on in Gaza but really it is not sovereign, and not anything close to a state.

Israel had a large amount of control over it. It is the same in the West Bank.

I kind of see the Palestinians as almost an internal problem for Israel, but they often seem to be trying to make others responsible for sorting it out, the (other) Arab states, the US, the EU, the UN, god knows who else next. You break it you bought it though.

If its still there, for sure it is. Just like many other items and places are booby trapped. Realistically, I'd say that vehicles are too important and valuable for Hamaz to needlessly destroy them. But if it was broken down and un-repairable, the yes, it will be booby trapped, Its SOP in situations like this. I've seen booby traps in the most innocuous of places, ingeniously hidden. Rigged so that opening a door or causing the slightest vibration would trigger an explosion. And that's what the IDF have to contend with, and why progress is so slow. Plus the sheer size and scale of the tunnels. They have been likened to the London underground in scale and depth and complexity.

So why did this not happen?

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I await your expert and experienced response after that 'you've never been in a warzone' smear. A motorcycle, broken down, but you say it's SOP to booby trap it and the room etc. but none of that happened. Much vibration as IDF and news crews stampede around the place, rip back curtains, etc.

'there's a command and control HQ under the hospital'

'uhm yeah there is'

'we know there is theyre worse than hitler duh'

'check out this CGI, leave the hospital'

'we have the evidence'

'we don't talk about intelligence'

'have you not seen our CGI? Holocaust denier.'

'we have surrounded the hospital because of all the evidence we have'

'we are looking for the evidence'

'they got away with the evidence'

'this baby bottle proves there was a baby hostage in a childrens hospital'

'okay we will bring in large pallets of conspicuously marked 'MEDICAL SUPPLIES''

'Wow look at all these rusted rifles we suddenly found all over the hospital'

'we need a few more weeks to find Hamas in the hospital'