Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

If its still there, for sure it is. Just like many other items and places are booby trapped. Realistically, I'd say that vehicles are too important and valuable for Hamaz to needlessly destroy them. But if it was broken down and un-repairable, the yes, it will be booby trapped, Its SOP in situations like this. I've seen booby traps in the most innocuous of places, ingeniously hidden. Rigged so that opening a door or causing the slightest vibration would trigger an explosion. And that's what the IDF have to contend with, and why progress is so slow. Plus the sheer size and scale of the tunnels. They have been likened to the London underground in scale and depth and complexity.

Where have the thousands of Hamas fighters gone? No sign of them around the hospital.

So why did this not happen?

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I await your expert and experienced response after that 'you've never been in a warzone' smear. A motorcycle, broken down, but you say it's SOP to booby trap it and the room etc. but none of that happened. Much vibration as IDF and news crews stampede around the place, rip back curtains, etc.

So now that the IDF is seemingly not finding evidence of the hospital being a Hamas command centre, the new line is "they've taken all the stuff away since we identified the hospital as their command centre a few weeks ago".

Hamas is a vile organisation, but come on Israel, you've got to offer more than "the lack of evidence is all the proof we need that we were right"

'there's a command and control HQ under the hospital'

'uhm yeah there is'

'we know there is theyre worse than hitler duh'

'check out this CGI, leave the hospital'

'we have the evidence'

'we don't talk about intelligence'

'have you not seen our CGI? Holocaust denier.'

'we have surrounded the hospital because of all the evidence we have'

'we are looking for the evidence'

'they got away with the evidence'

'this baby bottle proves there was a baby hostage in a childrens hospital'

'okay we will bring in large pallets of conspicuously marked 'MEDICAL SUPPLIES''

'Wow look at all these rusted rifles we suddenly found all over the hospital'

'we need a few more weeks to find Hamas in the hospital'

What's worse is some people on here wouldn't have batted an eyelid if the IDF just bombed the hospital. They would have taken the IDF at their word that there was a command center under it and was an imminent threat to the safety of Israel.

That would have been the miracle that the IDF have been praying for....TV crews, CNN etc. in the tunnel supposedly beneath the hospital and then a booby trapped bike going BOOM !!! Lovely, just what the propaganda doctor ordered. I mean with such timely and undeniable proof of Hamaz active directly underneath the hospital, and all recorded live on camera!!! Who could ever doubt Israels claim that they were indeed cleaning out a vipers nest of Hamas terrorists beneath the hospital? and further more, there were more such nests, many more to be attacked and neutralized.

As for the so-called smear, anyone who has been in a war zone, and is watching and following what's happening in Gaza / Israel, would not have any doubts whatsoever about what the IDF will face in those tunnels. And they would not have to wait for any news articles to tell them either. None the less, the subject of booby traps has been widely reported, long before I mentioned it, had you been following what has been happening?.

As things stand now, and with best available information, would feel confident enough and trust your belief that these tunnels are not booby trapped to risk entering one, and exploring it? Because, I'll tell you one thing, the IDF are far from happy about it, and if they can "Neutralize" from outside, without entering, that's exactly what they'll do, and by any means possible.

I notice too that TV news shows are now treating any IDF claims very sceptically : RTE, BBC, Sky News etc.

Nothing in this post even attempted to address why, in this real world example, facts directly contradicted your own assertions that it is "standard SOP" to booby-trap disabled vehicles left behind?

As you said previously, most of what you're saying is conjecture or stale historical reporting not related to the current conflict. And examples like the one in bold, that conjecture is being eroded by facts.

As things stand now, and the best available information, there are no reports of booby trapping in this current conflict that have been provided. It was alleged that it was standard SOP to booby trap a disabled/unrepairable vehicle, such a vehicle was left behind and no such booby trap was present. Direct evidence of this negative, provided by the IDF, CNN, and ABC, and other journalists who I may be omitting by mention from the same visit.

I believe it is highly embarrassing for the US. Shades of the 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' all over again and a huge loss of reputation.

You're only embarrassed if you care about how you are perceived.

Assuming hamas have a central command of some kind, "all the stuff " is likely to be a few laptops and not much else. It's not a 70s James Bond movie. There won't be some kind of Moonraker type "command centre"

That's probably not for any want of desire, but they're being restrained. And, haven't they messed about in/near Rostov (wherever it was Wagner capture for a little while) shooting at bases there?

Did you notice the Mein Kampf book in the pram. Shocking stuff

Why is Martin talking to Israel about getting people across it then?