Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Dude

They will have disconnected any booby trap before standing beside it making a video. Goodness me.

You make some good points about some stuff but some of the rabbit holes like this that you go down all by yourself are incredible. Just saying.

I mentioned earlier, according to the Jerusalem Post 4 IDF soldiers were killed by a booby trap outside a tunnel in the last week or so. Separately an interview with the medic said other soldiers lost limbs.

I'm not aware of any 3rd country inspecting trucks going between 2 different countries. Unless of course that country is under occupation.

The fact that every single truck of aid from Egypt has to drive into Israel for inspection and then afterwards be released to drive into Gaza is not standard procedure anywhere in the world.

There is not a lack of aid for Gaza, countries around the world spend millions on aid for Gaza, the only obstacle is Israel. They dictate what and how much can enter Gaza.

Norway begins the process of formally recognizing Palestinian statehood

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/norways-parliament-calls-on-its-government-to-be-ready-to-recognize-palestinian-state/

Which still directly indicates that Israel is an occupying force at that border, which is essential to the point being made that Gaza is afforded no control of any of its own borders or waters. ie. that it is an open-air prison.

What punishment would you suggest?

Imports and Exports also strictly controlled. Most fuel is smuggled in via tunnels to Egypt. The blockade ruined the Gaza economy. 50% unemployment, most dependent on aid to survive.

Yeah and it cited the video as it's evidence. A video which lended no support to there being any booby trap. I don't know why you want to keep circling that wagon.

No idea who you are referring to now. Post #? Source?

I don't know, are the boxes marked MEDICAL SUPPLIES, medical supplies? What you or I think is immaterial. What is fact is of interest.

This by x10000

This culture of nitpicking and trying to find fault with everything is similar to what Holocaust deniers do. Many of those people admit that Jews did die but will fight tooth and nail about the figures, and methods and some will deny they were even gassed. Nickping eh!?

I want to thank this post many times :)

She also admits that many many people believe in the ideology of Hamas.

I wonder what ideology is this exactly?

One that expouses the killing of all Jews in Palestine an the world?

It's up to you what you want to believe or not but now, here's a post complete with link. just for you, and proving that Hamas has booby trapped the tunnels, as I have said they would. And I was right. The explosive used in the tunnel was so powerful it killed the soldiers even though they were not in the tunnel, but outside it. The tunnel itself shaped the blast much the same way a shotgun does. They did not have a chance. And here's another opinion of mine. There are many, many more such booby traps waiting in the tunnels for the IDF, or indeed anyone unwary enough to enter them.

Jerusalem school principal one of 5 more soldiers ... - The Times … (bing.com)

What's so hard about the minimum iota of reporting, in the soldier mentioning it in his own report? The tweet made a claim, and to support it, said watch this video, and this video didn't support the claim. So now all we have are "maybes" great, irrelevant, but great.

Israel could submit all it's evidence to an international court if it recognized any! Instead of defeatist counterfactual arguments that evidence doesn't matter because truth is dead, we could do with some evidence! Nothing in the soldier's report indicated the vehicle was booby-trapped. Feel free to edit the video for the IDF if you like, or tell me where he said it in the video, at what timestamp.

If Israel is so sure nobody will believe it maybe it should rethink its stance, recognize the ICC and submit to an internationally recognized ruleset for evidence. We know why it won't do so though, they are rules for thee, and me, and they don't like that one bit.

In other words, never, since Hamas leadership is unfazed by this operation and living it up in Qatar?

Quagmire alert

One of the key premises asserted by the IDF is that the hospital was allegedly hiding an underground base. Deep underground, then, how is part of the hospital? Hospital may act as a deterrent to being hit by a bunker bomb on the surface, but that is about it. It is highly unlikely that there was any interaction between the hospital staff and the alleged base underneath them in any event ( if it was there)

Building tunnels has been a tactic employed by various militaries throughout history, and Hamas is no exception. These tunnels serve several purposes, including providing shelter from attacks, facilitating military operations, and enabling the movement of personnel and weapons.

The Israeli military's decision to showcase recently discovered tunnels as some sort of diplomatic achievement—I don't get it personally.  The discovery of weapons in houses in the Gaza Strip by the IDF is not surprising either, as Hamas is primarily composed of Palestinian citizens who have chosen to engage in armed struggle. However, it is important to condemn the methods and tactics employed by Hamas in executing unarmed Israeli civilians

One of the most disheartening aspects of this conflict is Israel's relentless bulldozing of Palestinian homes and structures since they invaded. The removal of buildings, infrastructure, and vegetation would transform Gaza into a barren wasteland. The actions taken by the Israeli government are not indicative of a desire for the Palestinian people to stay where they are. Instead, these actions are a clear indication that Israel is actively working towards finding a suitable alternative destination for the Palestinian people. Those who will grow up in the aftermath of this war are confronted with the horrors of the past, often witnessing the destruction of their homes and communities. This traumatic upbringing shapes their perception of the world and their likelihood of joining another group, even if Hamas is defeated here (high likelihood).

Personally, I believe that Hamas's decision to hold onto hostages as a bargaining chip is a stupid move. It is evident that the hostage-taking strategy is no longer relevant, considering the recent Israeli invasion and the failure of Hamas's demands. I would release them all your screwed up either way because Israel is coming after you.If I were a leader of Hamas and faced with the choice of whether to maintain the heat over hostages or consider releasing them in order to gain support in the West for a decrease in action against the Palestinian people, I would carefully weigh the implications and consequences of each option. Like i said, I don't understand what benefit there is for Hamas in keeping them now in tunnels.