"Green" policies are destroying this country

So you ignored the content of the post and went off on another rant about the Green party. Kinda says it all. Again to confirm the thread title is "Green Policies" and not The Green Party.

As I said I have no time for Green party and never voted for the, but no idea why you think any minor partner in government have a huge swing over policies. It's actually kinda funny at the moment the lack of awareness of some of the Irish population when it comes to how the government actually works.

You would think at this stage with the rotting carcasses of every minor partner in previous government that the penny might drop but seemingly not.

In terms of 3rd World money, Ireland gives a significant amount of money every year to charities etc for the 3rd World. You seem to be unaware of this, have a look below:

https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/how-our-aid-works/where-the-money-goes/

Bingo. The fun will be when SF do get into government and stay along the exact same trajectory who will the most vocal blame then? or what more commonly happens is they suddenly switch and fully support the policies they spent years complaining about.

Just back from ordering my new SUV for mid-2024 delivery.

I've always resisted one because of the cost to run, but even though this one has 470 horsepower and can do 0-100 in 4.6 seconds and weighs 2.4 tonnes, because its petrol electric V6 hybrid, its only €120 quid p.a. to motor tax!

Thanks Eamon Ryan 🙂

Happy driving.

You think the public in general are going to be happy if SF continue raising carbon taxes and implementing other economy retarding measures? Same circus different clowns if that happens, and they won't get a second term.

Went up in price like everything else but coming back down, about 570 delivered is what you are looking at for 960KG

The change in 2007 was based on the information at the time, what nobody knew was the car manufacturers had cheated the testing system so the data which the decision was based on was incorrect

The change in 2020 was as big if not bigger change to the 2007 change, totally changing the import business in Ireland, well not changing it but shutting it down

All of the manufacturers cheated, VW had the highest profile because the US went after them, mostly because they pushed diesel into the market and it pissed off the likes of GM. If you search you will find nearly every dealer from Nissan to Merc got hit with fines. After all the software that was created was done by Bosch who supplier all car manufacturers. The system was never introduced to move the entire fleet to diesel, that was the fallout of the dodgy tests.

Plus I don't think anyone could predict people would swap perfectly good cars to reduce a yearly tax.

NOx was only really discussed many years after the change in 2007, that was my recollection. The article I found(below) is from 2016 and that was my recollection of when this came up, nearly 10 years after the change

Its 16 years ago now the change in car tax yet it's fired up all the time. Like before the 2007 change was the car tax system the same since it was introduced?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/23/diesel-cars-pollution-limits-nox-emissions

For someone who has no time for the Green Party and never voted for them, with you spending so much time defending them against anyone who is not enthralled by them you are beginning to come across like another poster here who likewise says he has no connection to them, has never voted for them either, yet has defended even the most inane Ryan utterances and could not bring himself to make even the most minor of criticism of the actions of green "warriors" sneaking around at night slashing tyres. Even to the extent that you included one of his posts in your reply.

I`m very aware of how government works and how coalition governments are formed. A negotiated programme for government allows the tail of the dog party to have policies included that, with their seat numbers, otherwise would never see the light of day. It also leaves them with a card to play of collapsing the government if they do not get their way.

Did it ever cross your mind that those rotten corpses of minor government parties were due to the electorate not being much enamoured by the results of those policies and showed that the next time they got the chance ?

As I said, on the 3rd world it doesn`t matter, but for someone who earlier in the day thought billions had been wasted on food programmes you now appear to see it as money well spent.

Best of luck with the hope that SF if it is the next goverment will suddently drop all it`s promised large spends on housing, health etc in favor of green policies. Especially with a tax-take predicted to shrink.

Not defending them. As I am trying to point out to you which is failing that shouting about the green party is pointless because all of the government parties support the current policies, including the opposition.

I agree with some of the policies the government(including the Greens) have implemented and I don't agree with a lot more. I'm not stupid enough to think removing the Green Party from government will suddenly change the path they have already started down.

The reason the minor partner is a rotten corpse is because they get lumped with all the blame for decision made by the bigger parties. Example the banning of turf, which was planned by both FF and FG before the last election only they couln't agree on a plan, running out of time. Post election when the public went against the turf ban but FF an FG blamed the Green Party :-) that's before we start about the electric stations closed by FG which most people on see online blame the Green Party who wasn't in government at the time the decision was made.

You could say that is defending Green Party, to me that is just telling the truth about what actually happened. Will that mean I vote for Green next election? No. Do I care if you believe me....not a chance.

In regards to Sinn Fein from their 2023 Alternative Budget, see below, they are talking about speeding up the investment in renewables. Not slowing it down. I suggest you read what the parties are actually proposing, seems it is exactly as I predicted

Investing to accelerate the transition to renewable energy and to better leverage the benefits for all, including through increased investment in domestic solar PV and the tiering of grant supports by household income to ensure equity of access, rolling out solar PV across our schools, speeding up the state’s electrification of heat, increasing funding for innovation in renewable energy, investing in our ports and resourcing the planning system to speed up the development of renewable generation – cost €133 million

https://vote.sinnfein.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Sinn-Fein-Alternative-Budget2024.pdf

I agree the motor tax is due an overhaul. I don't think weight should be the way to go. It should be based on km driven or something fair across the board.

Cars give freedoms that PT doesn't and it's a hard sell to move without a properly funded, integrated, functional, reliable and widespread PT system.

Th EV grants are being phased out. Again, if moving to EVs is the goal, phasing that out isn't the right approach. The 1m electric cars by 2030 was pure bullshit. If they hit that by 2035 I'd be amazed. A better incentive would be to encourage reuse. Keep older cars on roads longer instead of trading perfectly good working cars for new ones.

I agree, we are scrapping too many good cars for silly reasons. I have no idea what next tax system should be but certainly someone in a built up town/city using a SUV like Q7 to drop 1 kid down the road to school is ridiculous. So weight might stop that more than a per km rate

We need a proper rail system which connects all of Ireland.

I`ll go throught that when I have time and reply.

I`m the meantime somewhat amused that prople seem to belive if SF were in government tomorrow they would just carry on with The Green Party`s policies based om a few vague words from Mary Lou, when early this year Eamon Ryan accused SF of displaying outright hostility to the environmental agenda.