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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All off the people who have been saying that people calling for Israel to stop what it is doing in Gaza is just blatant antisemitism should have a look at what Elon Musk is doing over on Twitter.

    He has 163M followers or something, jewish people are going to be hurt by that mindset and narrative way way more than they are by people expressing concern for Palestinians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No, blatant anti semitism is blatant anti semitism, including from musk . I don't recall anyone saying that just calling for Israel to stop is that? Don't forget just in this thread we had the following blatant antisemitism: people comparing Israel to Nazis, repeated references to them "playing the holocaust card", "greedy" Jews, they control governments, control Hollywood, "no wonder people always want them dead", they have disproportionate wealth and influence and even they killed Jesus so why do the US support them.

    Then at the marches there's been many, many examples of anti semitic signs, chants and speech. Off the top of my head "gas the Jews", "hitler was right", "keep the world clean" with a star of david in a trashcan and more Jesus stuff.

    People seem to be willing to ignore all that though. Until someone they don't like does it, then they're all over it. Makes me think those people only care about anti semitism when they can use it for political point scoring



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


     I don't recall anyone saying that just calling for Israel to stop is that? 

    It was done to me.

    Another prominent very pro Israel poster called me a holocaust denier for saying that they were not the only community to ever experience persecution.

    The vasttttttt majority of attendees at Marches have displayed only compassion for suffering Palestinians, there definitely have been some hideous antisemitic signs at some marches but to suggest that this is therefore the mindset of the entire march is doing nothing but trying to use Jewish persecution to undermine the value of others.

    A lot of the conservative minded commentators who tried to use antisemitism to stifle denouncement of Israel's actions in Gaza are going to have to have a good long chat with themselves when they next rush to Musk's defense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,959 ✭✭✭circadian



    Media might be starting to scrutinise the Israelis more now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Plenty of evidence now that the Palestinians systematically use hospitals for terrorism.

    The security cameras are blocked, guns hidden under medical equipment (of which there was no shortage), guns hidden behind MRI machines, flak jackets, etc.

    This would not be possible unless the hospital directors and staff and doctors etc. all went along with it.

    Guns and terrorist gear in the hospitals. A new low for the species. What next for the Palestinian people?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    There was also a threat of a terrorist hiding behind the curtain in the room. Don't forget that. Luckily there was no one there when he looked behind it. Phew, was a close one



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The same message going to Israel by various parties is completely ignored by the IDF in their bombardment.

    Fear for patients as Gaza hospital care disintegrates (rte.ie)

    Human Rights Watch cautioned that hospitals have special protections under international humanitarian law.

    "Hospitals only lose those protections if it can be shown that harmful acts have been carried out from the premises," the watchdog's UN Director Louis Charbonneau told Reuters.

    "The Israeli government hasn't provided any evidence of that," he said.

    --------------

    The war on hospitals rages on. I bet they will bring in the bulldozers next.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    More collective punishment.

    Fear for patients as Gaza hospital care disintegrates (rte.ie)

    Gaza communications down as 'energy runs out'

    Gaza's main telecommunications companies Paltel and Jawwal said all telecom services in Gaza had gone down, as all energy sources supplying the network had run out.

    Reuters journalists have been unable to reach anyone inside Shifa hospital for more than 24 hours.

    The World Health Organization said it was trying to arrange a medical evacuation of patients from Shifa, but was hindered by security concerns and the inability to communicate with anyone there.

    WHO officials understood around 600 patients were still inside, including 27 in critical condition.

    All hospitals in northern Gaza have effectively been shut down by Israeli forces.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You're worse than the IDF with their fabrications. Now the doctors and nurses were in on it? All class.

    Pop quiz: how many shots were taken at IDF forces from within the hospital complex? "Acts harmful to the enemy" is the key phrase here.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    There was a debate last night in TCD, where some student caused a ruckus and started shouting "Allahu Akbar" and waving his fists aggressively at an Israeli student next to him.

    What a piece of $hit.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Another body of a hostage was found in the Al-Sifa hospital.


    People should be marching to ask Hamas to surrender and release all hostages. That would immediately save lives and enable humanitarian aid to reach all the people in Gaza.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    And the hostages who wandered onto the grounds by themselves, probably escaped from Hamas and were seeking medical treatment before falling on the ground and dying.

    We were told there were no Hamas in the hospitals, we were told there were no tunnels in the hospitals, we were told there were no hostages in the hospitals, that is what posters on here spent the last three or four days telling us. All of it is untrue, as is the rest of the pro-Hamas propaganda they are spouting 24/7 about the situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Hospital-deniers. The credibility of those who claimed there was nothing in the hospitals is in tatters. Nit-picking about not seeing booby-traps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think it is more than kinda rude to be demanding proof off everyone else when pretty much everything you have posted on the conflict has turned out to be false.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,517 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Fair play to them, though as your link states, they've passed a resolution to be 'ready' to recognize it:

    “(the resolution) asks the government to be ready to recognize Palestine as an independent state when recognition could have a positive impact on the peace process, without making a final peace accord a condition.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ye are very excited today.

    I believe there was a hostage found near the hospital. Near.

    That absolutely validated the IDF using snipers to shoot people in the hospital.

    Now back to the question about attacking hospitals (and cutting off their power, supplies, food, water).

    Article 19

    The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

    The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.

    -----------------

    Please list the acts harmful to the enemy that caused the Gazan hospitals to lose their protection. How many shots/rockets fired from the hospital? Why is the hospital not functioning?

    Defending the war on hospitals?

    From my link above.

    Human Rights Watch cautioned that hospitals have special protections under international humanitarian law.

    "Hospitals only lose those protections if it can be shown that harmful acts have been carried out from the premises," the watchdog's UN Director Louis Charbonneau told Reuters.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You'll have to do better than that. Israel has been telling everyone for weeks now that the hospital housed a multi-level labyrinth of tunnels allowing Hamas to house hostages, have a command center and carry out rocket attacks from there.

    Two days after they've entered it and there's nothing of the sort.

    You've bought the extreme-zionist propaganda hook, line and sinker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Three hostages and counting, so far?

    That is evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    😂 The irony. Everytime you are schooled on your law expertise, you disappear! You dont reply to any direct questions on your misinformation mantras either. Credibility is shot I am afraid. Not a link to be found in any your posts. It's extremely disingenuous. Report away.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    The area has been cleared and searched. What is your point?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It appears you and I are a hospital denier now 😂

    The irony is that Israel has effectively closed all hospitals in Northern Gaza.

    They are denying the citizens of Gaza healthcare. A violation of international law.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The war on hospitals rages on. I bet they will bring in the bulldozers next.

    The bulldozers arrived yesterday or before


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wow and they have cut the comms too.

    The aim of war on hospitals is to remove them from Northern Gaza altogether.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That poor hostage probably died like many others because of an Israeli strike. Very indiscriminate bombings. Many have said that this might happen and the relatives in particular have have continually warned about it happening.

    The very fact that there was nothing of substance found in the hospital proves that the Israeli 'intelligence' was false and now with them talking about booby traps is just aggravating the situation with the intent of stopping the hospital from functioning and the threat of many more deaths.

    4,600 children have died so far in Gaza. 40 in Israel. All needlessly because talks will eventually take place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,763 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Hamas, or rather their military wing, are on the brink of defeat in Northern Gaza.

    Now the focus is shifting to Southern Gaza...

    Palestinians in the south of Gaza have been warned to leave. Where are they supposed to go to?

    I see no command center has been found under the Al Shifa hospital as of yet. The goalposts have shifted on that one. It was good of the al qassam brigades to leave behind some weapons and equipment as a clue to their presence under the hospital, despite having weeks to clear out the command center and bring the hostages with them. According to the Times of Israel, the IDF knew the layout of the command center due to spies within the hospital. Yet despite all this, Hamas were able to do a disappearing act and escape the hospital without being detected by these spies. I see the Americans can't share their intelligence regarding the command center being under the hospital. Convenient.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    "Nothing of substance", moving on from "Hamas aren't there", is another sign of the goalposts shifting. Over the next few days, as Israel find more and more evidence of Hamas activity at the hospitals, how far do you expect to shift the position?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,517 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




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  • Registered Users Posts: 51,926 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Nothing found that would even remotely require the sledgehammer tactics used. I fear the Israelis will have to plant some more 'evidence' to try to justify their actions.



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