Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

They are like clock work. Getting their kids to sing happy birthday to Charles when they probably haven't met him in years!

He did Oprah and his dad and brother rang him after it. It wasn't a "productive" conversation but at least they were speaking. How do we know this? Gayle King said it on CBS the day after. How she got that information I think changed things. If they all couldn't feel they could speak in confidence without it leaking then they were vindicated in freezing Harry out on any details beyond anything high level when the Queen died.

There was also the fact that he had a book coming out and so keeping schtum would have been amplified. If Harry was telling these details to Scobie (e.g. having to book flights, frozen out, no text replies..) then he only has himself to blame and it would show how utterly self-absorbed he is. I'd also be sympathetic to William in saying his brother is brainwashed by therapists i.e. He has been getting help from a conveyer belt of those who may be reluctant to lose a high profile client by being blunt and honest about an assessment of their flaws which would actually be necessary for the therapy to actually be effective. Better to seek blame in anything else rather than risk alienating a celeb client by delivering some uncomfortable home truths perhaps. Even from watching on there is a clear pattern of him blaming others but little self reflection as to what he might be doing or have done or contributed himself to his state of mind.

Ah, give over. His brother didn't bother to text him back when he asked for a lift for himself and his wife to go to Balmoral. QEII was the nearest thing to a mother that Harry had (bear in mind he was 12/13 when his own mother died) and was obviously very close to her. Althought they knew that she was dying, they didn't bother to let him know, so it was a complete shock to him when she did actually pass away.

William was so vindictive that he left his wife at home, so as to stop Harry bringing Meghan to Balmoral, so denying him every bit of support while all the others had their wives/husbands up there to support them at that very sad time.

Sorry, that all was down right nasty from Charles and William. Of course Charles had no feeling for his mother (per his book), so he possibly couldn't understand anyone else being upset by her passing.

Some really messed up family there. William is so arrogant that he can't deal with the fact that Harry isn't in the cult anymore and thinks he has been brainwashed in therapy.

Good one coming from a so-called mental health advocate. Imagine having anything to do with any mental health charity he is advocating for.

I wonder did any of the other grandchildrens' spouses head to Balmoral? Why should an exception be made for Harry? It was clear that her health was going downhill so why didn't they make the effort to see her before that?

Meghan doesn't do 'family' and now it appears neither does Harry.

So you think that 2 hours before QEII died her last wishes were that Meghan should not accompany Harry to Balmoral. Really!

The Queen on her death bed thought it would be better if Harry hired a plane and travelled up on his own to Balmoral with no one to support him. Really!

The father of a flatmate of mine died some years ago down in Ballinasloe. I didn't know the man very well, but I travelled down in the middle of the night with my friend to offer support because it would have been a very tough journey on their own. I wasn't looking to sit by the man's bedside. Luckily I did travel down with my friend, because when we got to the hospital he had passed away and my friend was devastated and the rest of the family had gone home.

All similar situation that Harry found himself in, except he had no one to comfort him when he found out he was too late and QEII had passed away.

I see nothing sweet about Kate staying away. Its not as if the RF dont have an army of staff to look after the kids for a day or two while they are away! I suspect it was just pure spite from William as an excuse to upset Harry, even at that very sad time. There really is something wrong with him and he could probably do with a few therapy sessions.

The thing is, if Harry had been allowed on the plane with William, Andrew, Edward and Sophie, he'd just have something else he'd be complaining about. The flight attendant would have offered William a drink first or his seat would have been nearer the front or something. If I was William I would prefer for Harry to be complaining about being slighted for a plane ride than spilling all the details of what was likely a tense and emotional plane ride.

The thing he wants an apology for is that he was born 2nd. Theres no acknowledgment that apart from William (the heir) the other Grandchildren didn't go to the Queens deathbed. If all the Grandchildren and their spouses had treked to Scotland to see the Queen and just Meghan was told not to come then I think it would be a legitimate gripe.

He keeps implying that hes over it all but then dragging it up again and again like we get it, you feel slighted.

If the staff is good enough to tell Kate and Williams children about their great grandmother dying and comfort them, I'm sure Harry had plenty of staff with him when he found out about the Queens death and they offered condolences. Personally I would think its quite important for children to have their parent(s) break difficult news like that to them.

Ah give over. A former army man needed help to arrange his travel to a known destination. Infantilising him again. He didn't know she was sick? His own eyes (she'd lost weight, less mobile, didn't do full jubilee schedule) and her age (96) ought to have told him all he needed to know. Complete shock? Taking the piss there. As far as I know he had an open invite that summer to visit and the last thing the family would do is be explicit with him i.e. the Queen is dying, come visit. Why? It might be on CBS. See why they would be cagey and might leave it up to him to put two and two together in his head.

William plotting to stop Meghan? You know every decision doesn't revolve around her yeah? Maybe the Queen herself wanted just immediate family there so as not to have some macabre spectacle. Maybe, just maybe, she didn't want Meghan? This is the same Queen whose husband was dying while Meghan and Harry went and had their Opwaagh interview on telly. She'd might understandably hold a grudge against them.

You really don't see why such a "messed up" family would be wary of those with form as being untrustworthy and who'd been repeatedly antagonistic towards them milling around? In the middle of it all, would you? They're absolutely tone deaf if they expected to be embraced with open arms. They needed to be managed and that's what we saw subsequently. Weeks before the Queen died The Atlantic article was published, the one where Megan likened herself to having a Mandela like effect but more importantly the one where she said never had to sign anything preventing her from speaking out. So I just can't imagine why they were wary of having Meghan around. Hardly a head scratcher is it?

that pattern of behaviour is certainly well established at this stage alright - certainly very little room for arguing that point……..only an idiot, or a troll might try 😃

Usually with books like this then early leaks tend to zero in on the juicy stuff which can help shift copies/pre orders e.g. Britney and her abortion making headlines or when Spare was leaked in Spanish and the speed translators were quick to latch on to the dog bowl fight. Gold blend tea. If Harry not getting told that they were privately planning for the Queens imminent death is the lead leak from End Game then it doesn’t bode well really. It boils down to this – We keep taking dumps on their door step intermittently but the bastards have rarely asked us in for some tea and chats – We’re the victims.

Hmm, likely story...https://people.com/meghan-markle-moved-on-royals-endgame-exclusive-8402173

It's remarkable how she was 'forced' to wear neutral colours while in the RF but still continues to wear them.

That appearance feels like Meghan has now gone full circle back to her pre-Harry days. Doing the conveyer belt red carpet walk, posing for the camera flashes and then doing the quick interview with an over excitable interviewer. The topic is even the same. Suits. The renewed interest in it. What it was like working on it, how proud she is of it etc.

https://x.com/PAshowbiz/status/1725462276675612822?s=20.. She had to be practically pushed off the red carpet!

I dont understand how they can say they were not involved with Omid S's book. He is literally describing in detail things that only they would know. Harry got a call from an unknown number, he normally doesn't answer from an unknown number, Meghan told him to answer it, it was Charles, he was told to go to Balmoral. He details how Harry felt/thought when William didn't reply to his texts. Either its all a pack of lies, or he got the information directly from their camp. They would know who was there at the time, so if they are as surprised as anyone else how it made the book exactly as it played out, then they know who the leak is on their side. Its not rocket science. They clearly leaked it from their camp. Denying it its farcical. And she has already been caught out in court for lying about assisting with the content of Finding Freedom. Its beyond ridiculous at this stage.

Anyway, we have about another 4.5 years left before she divorces him, to meet the 10 yr mark for California divorce law rule to kick in. I will check back in then.