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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Yes and No. Yes he would have been a pretty good replacement for Ala'alatoa but in the same breath no because he wanted a starting job long term and only Munster could offer that out of the 4 provinces.

    With Ala'alatoa going and more than likely Jason Jenkins and Charlie Ngatai potentially not getting renewed, Leinster will have 3 NIQ slots available.

    I can see them using two of them spots for next season on a borderline world class lock and a veteran older Prop with the NIQ designations and bring in an Irish tighthead.

    At Tighthead, I would see if Leinster can get Marty Moore back from Ulster. He is a bit injury prone but he is a quality scrum technician and would really help the Leinster scrum at the end of games. With Rory McGuire and Paddy McCarthy potentially emerging at tighthead, I would offer Moore a two year deal to give the young props some breathing room to develop.

    If he can get over his recent health scare and come back, I would love to see Lood De Jager at Leinster. He knows how Nienaber wants to play, he is a brilliant line-out operator and would add some serious additional bulk to the Leinster pack. A trio of James Ryan, Lood De Jager and Joe McCarthy would be monstrous in a match day 23.

    I could easily see Cullen and Nienaber go with a veteran South African prop like Trevor Nyakane who can play both sides of the scrum. He does make alot of sense too. He will be 35 by the time he would be at Leinster meaning that they could have him as a one year rental and hope the likes of Jack Boyle has taken the next step and will step right into the back up loosehead role by the start of the 2025-26 season.

    The likes of Trevor Nyakane and Marty Moore would be one to two year rentals who allow breathing room for the young emerging props. They would also give Leinster a huge amount of experience that they would be losing with Healy set to potentially retire and Ala'alatoa leaving.

    Lood De Jager would improve Leinster's scrum and lineout with his sheer size and bulk. Nyakane and Moore would give them a rock solid front row with Ronan Kelleher off the bench.

    Will this all happen? who knows but I can see Nienaber wanting to bring some players he knows into Leinster and I can see him wanting to hold onto a NIQ designation for the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Jaysus that's a strong squad for Scarlets. Getting the players tunes up for Munster next weekend and the European games to come. Very interested in seeing what Prendergast can do playing behind so strong a pack and experienced a backline.

    15. Hugo Keenan (56)

    14. Jordan Larmour (92)

    13. Garry Ringrose (116) CO-CAPTAIN

    12. Jamie Osborne (34)

    11. Jimmy O’Brien (72)

    10. Sam Prendergast (127)

    9. Jamison Gibson-Park (5)

    1. Andrew Porter (108)

    2. Rónan Kelleher (47)

    3. Thomas Clarkson (29)

    4. Joe McCarthy (20)

    5. James Ryan (73) CO-CAPTAIN

    6. Max Deegan (102)

    7. Josh van der Flier (128)

    8. Caelan Doris (68)


    Replacements:


    16. Dan Sheehan (47)

    17. Jack Boyle (6)

    18. Tadhg Furlong (134)

    19. Ross Molony (165)

    20. Scott Penny (60)

    21. Fintan Gunne (0)

    22. Ross Byrne (149)

    23. Ciarán Frawley (71)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    127 caps for 19 year old Sam prendergast is impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Cant see them getting a lock with Big Joe around, holding onto Jenkins might be the best option



  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Very interested to see how Clarkson goes in such a strong pack. It feels make-or-break for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Great to give prendergast a start with the strong team around him. Hopefully JGP gives him the ball now and doesn't try and mind him and take too much on like Crowley v Auatralia.

    Also makes sense to be able to bring in Fintan gunne for his debut with Ross Byrne outside him.. looking forward to seeing Gunne at this level. Thought he was excellent at times for the u'20's.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Jesus I'm excited to see Prendergast in that team.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Juventu4


    That is a way stronger Leinster team than I expected




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer



    I would imagine their hand was forced on Gunne. With Luke McGrath out for a sustained period and Foley having injured his shoulder, the sensible move would be to get minutes into Ben Murphy as he might be needed for European rugby. But Murphy landed very heavily when trying to prevent the Dragons try, his head colliding with the ground and was led off the pitch. I was surprised he didn't appear on the injury report.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he is a bit shook up from it and they want to make sure he's available for the bigger games on the horizon; they won't have JGP starting two interpros followed by two European games. McGrath is out until Christmas and it's not too clear on how long Foley will be out for; he looked fairly dejected coming off last weekend.



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  • Posts: 0 Lia Sweet Racist


    They tend not to release injury updates on academy players, hence why there was likely no mention of Ben Murphy this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Holy lambshanks! Very strong side. Boyle getting another go. Congrats to Gunne! Was not expecting this side.

    Getting lads back in must be an art. The disruption must me a serious pain in the arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I would like to get Marty back. But he really is an injury prone lad. Lood would be nice. Vay nice, but expensive. I suppose the consensus is that Clarkson is not up to it nor, does he look like he's ever going to be at a very high level. Consensus being here on this forum.

    I don't think Jenkins is ideal either. Maybe making an offer for Ultan Dillane? I'd rate Dillane higher than Jenkins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Just noticed that Baird isn't involved. Nor HB! They are probably in line to start next week?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭TRC10


    No idea how Larmour is still getting picked on current form. Rob Russell is really getting a bit of a raw deal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Marty Moore is 33 in the spring and isn't capable of playing the game that Leinster play. Aside from his injury issues, he's simply too slow around the park and I doubt that's going to change at this point. Talent wise, he was a great player. Smart, strong scrummager, a breakdown threat (once upon a time anyway) and was generally ok around the park. But I think injuries and his move to England did little for him in terms of developing his game or putting a big focus on conditioning for him.

    He'd be a back up player for Leinster at best but I wouldn't have him ahead of Ala'alatoa if he was here. Same as Jager, if we're going to sign someone to replace Ala'alatoa, the minimum standard should be for them to be as good as he is (plus Ala'alatoa has a brilliant injury record with 50 appearances in blue already).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭leakyboots




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Doubtful on HB. If he's due to start next week, he would be on the bench at least.

    I'd say that Deegan has played himself into the team after a few great weeks so that could go either way next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    If the referee wants to speak to a captain, is he going to have to call them both over? Or just one? And which one? The nearest one?

    The co-captain thing seems a bit nonsensical. Surely the point of a captain is to have a deciding vote on things.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I would love to see Marty back at Leinster but I will have to agree with you and @Buer , the injury history and his play style probably write his chances of a return off completely.

    I really like Ultan Dillane and wanted him at Leinster before he made the move to La Rochelle but I think Leinster require a bulkier, bruiser of a second row to compete with the likes of Eben Etzebeth, Will Skelton, Emmanuel Meafou, Romain Taofifénua and RG Snyman. For me, Lood De Jager would be the ideal signing.

    Lood De Jager would indeed cost a pretty penny and if there was another player of similar quality, size and talent available for less I would choose that person but I firmly believe he has what it takes to push Leinster over the top. Jenkins was meant to be that player but he just hasn't lived up to what Leinster wanted him to be.

    De Jager probably is out of Leinsters' price range that they would be comfortable paying but it is essential for Leinster to strengthen at LH and TH prop and bring in a quality lock. They are losing a vast amount of experience at prop and are playing with fire if they don't replace Jenkins with an upgrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Lood de Jager is incredibly injury prone. He only played for Sale 25 times in his three seasons there. Having seen what has happened to Munster with Snyman I doubt Leinster would risk it.

    We've also to consider Joe McCarthy in this too. I think he's primed for a proper breakout season where he establishes himself as Ryan's second row partner for Leinster. Provided he can stay injury free as well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    they are replacing Jenkins with McCarthy and he is a major upgrade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Yeah. Now the question is is Jenkins (or another signing) needed as a squad player? - or can Deeny and O'Tighearnaigh fill that role from next season?

    Molony's there too, obviously. And Soroka could play some second row, if he ever gets fit.

    Josh Murphy was probably a better second row option for Leinster than Jenkins is.

    Any thoughts on how Jack Dunne is getting on at Exeter? He doesn't seem to have been making the side for the Premiership games, playing Premiership Cup instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I don't think Dunne is much of an upgrade, if an upgrade at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭KH25


    The ref will probably be told one of them to speak to. My gut tells me that will be Ryan most of the time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Prendergoat



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Scarlets taking the UFC approach tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    JGP loves that 4 man miss pass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Has Big Joe got even bigger since last week? Great start for Prendergast. Osbornes pass for that try was simple but lovely. Keenan oozes class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Great try.

    Prendergast with a lovely disguised pullback. And Larmour kept that ball alive by coming in off his wing and running towards support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Davidson isn't being consistent with her calls.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    VDF having one of his less better games. Few knock ons and missed a few tackles. Very rare for him, usually consistently great.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Well done Clarkson! Great turnover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Poor way to end the half. Feel like we haven't hit our rhythm in attack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭KH25


    Scarlets player was practically lying on the ground at that last turnover. Some of the decisions tonight have been confusing at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    At the game so can't hear everything but some of those calls are really confusing me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    VDF has started the game slowly.

    But Ringrose, Keenan and Doris and playing like they've never been away.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Osborne was excellent that half. Was involved in everything Leinster did well in attack. Such a great prospect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Hang over from World Cup maybe....for him he might realise that was his last chacne



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Davidson is a great ref.

    Leaves the game flow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭scott1974


    We started off so clinical gone a bit sloppy now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinsters protection of the ball at the scrum and subsequent rucks was very poor there.

    Good transition attack after the JOB catch though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Lol, blatant hands in the ruck but nah let them have the ball.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Not sure I saw a forward pass from there to JGP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭scott1974


    I wouldn't mind but it was I front of her eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    That's all Keenan.

    Completely destroyed the Scarlets carrier in Leinsters 22 then the Scarlets 9 when we were transitioning to attack off the lineout.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Almost seems like the officiating team will find something wrong with GR's try. Listening with no volume means all symbols from the ref are confusing and very inconsistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Shehal


    She can be very picky at the breakdown when she wants to be. That's a Scarlets penalty but then Scarlets are allowed steal the ball while lying on the ground and then steal with their hands clearly in the ruck...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Felt like McCarthy was on the ball for an eternity and nothing was given for or against.



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