Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

The fact that he is an asylum seeker has pretty much screwed his chances of ever being granted asylum. Having a criminal conviction and a suspended prison sentence stamped on his file means his application will be turned down (deportation is quite a different matter, as has been discussed in the thread before).

I wasn't aware of the history of Palestinian refugees until recently, so I looked up why Jordan didn't want them. After the mass expulsions by the Israelis in 1967, they were allowed into Jordan. In 1970 they attempted a coup to depose the King of Jordan, it's called Black September by Arab historians. Jordan threw them out and in 1970/71 the majority made their way to Lebanon which used to be a majority Christian country and Beirut was regarded as the Paris of the Middle East. Guess who were major players in the Lebanese civil war which started in 1975?

Egypt doesn't want them as they know they'll cause trouble and ally with the Muslim Brotherhood to cause a coup there. Take a look at photos of the Egyptian Gaza border, it's eye opening and looks more like something from the Iron Curtain except it's to keep people out, not in. In the 80's they made their way to Kuwait and repaid them by supporting Saddam Hussein invading in 1990. When the US and allies threw the Iraqis out in the first gulf war, the Kuwaitis got back into power in their own country and threw 400,000 Palestinians out in one week. And these are co religionists and share similar cultures!

Does anybody think that if we did take in Palestinians that they will change their spots and become good little "Irish" boys and girls? And all that is without the current problems of over capacity and everything else that taking in genuine, and not so genuine, refugees, IPAs applicants etc?

"You cannot expect cultures who have such fundamental differences in their core values, laws and religious teachings to just mix harmoniously because as your examples show, what might seem as minor differences to us as outsiders can be as fundamental and destructive to them as to cause civil and religious wars between sects and factions."

Well look at the ructions caused in Citywest etc by putting asylum seekers from different nationalities and cultures together! But don't worry it'll all turn out grand, sure didn't we emigrate ourselves? /S for those at the back of the room with difficulties in comprehension.

Anyway that's me out, I hope everyone has a good weekend.

my own take on hearing that was that it was all talk from him…. It sounded like he was just plámásing us citizens or trying to. The proof as they say shall be in the eating, the ‘doing’ something about it. NOT talking about it.

if I look out the window and the place opposite is on fire, I’ll dial 999/112. I’m not going to stand there Leo style “ yes, there is a fire over there, that is indeed very dangerous, people could get hurt, we’ll have to do something about that, hmmm right. “ which is essentially all he’s doing to date.

acknowledging a problem, not wanting to deal with it so buying himself time, just paying the problem lip service. Hoping it keeps the electorate at arms length, for a time. No, ACT ! Do something about it, now. Really cannot stand the guy.. the worst Taoiseach the country and its citizens has endured by a distance…

Also, if he wants the benefits to whoever , reviewed. Basically he is the one that rubber stamped many of those benefits in the first place. Free accommodation, free healthcare, full social welfare …. Everything we get, they get…..😵‍💫. So erm….. just goes to show, he’s a mighty disingenuous individual but he’s had a lot of people fooled, glad his mask is rapidly slipping but he’ll slide away himself soonish. Watch :)

id say if a review is ever attempted, I say it won’t be…but if one comes to pass… they’d probably lose 15-20 euros a week… or something simply tokenistic so Leo can say..” nope sure look, we are reducing what they are being given now “

post war they’ll be arriving in their droves from Africa, Ukraine, everywhere, wanting in on the same sort of give away benefits…..and Leo will be feet up, retired or close to it, nice place, a few million in the bank, nice pension coming in…. He won’t feel a micro pinch of any of this….. how do we stop that happening ? Can we stop it ? I’m not sure….democracy ? Not feeling like it.

the greatest crisis in the country since 1921…. Did we have a Collins, Dev, Childers ?

no Leo and Michael…. Ffs

Look even at Haughey, Lemass, they enabled great successes, great wellbeing and great upsurge in success for this country and us the citizens….. by working for us….. we just don’t have that leadership….. in times of great struggle you need leaders to stand up… we have Leo, shuffling around with that insincere smirk taking out of both sides of his mouth…. EU / Ireland is now on the map for pretty much all refugees or those looking to be protected …. Current situation is the template…

any reduction in assistance or limited policy is not being advocated in any serious manner by any political party…. I thought politics and politicians were supposed to work for those who elect them and pay them ? The CITIZENS

when you see some of them voluntarily going back for holidays… right, yeah, what are you fleeing from again ….if you can return to your homeland for a holiday you don’t require protection….

Every project, be it in work, sports, socially etc… fails…when the leadership is not good enough….

Ireland has now begun to fail, the country is changing rapidly and becoming an ill shadow of itself because of rank bad leadership, the worst since the creation of the state…

Nonsense. Dress it up whatever way you want but a genuine refugee isn't hopping countries to find the best freebies deal, or heading back to the supposed warzone they fled in fear of their lives for dentistry/medical work, or trips back to visit family.

Such people are economic migrants pure and simple, and that's how they should then be treated - with the different qualifying criteria and residency rules that apply.

If it's safe enough to go home to see family, go to the dentist, or for a Christmas break, then it's safe enough for them to remain there permanently.

Their “homeland” is mainly Egypt or Jordan.

Their grandfathers arrived in what is now Israel and Palestinian mainly between the two would wars - brought in by the rabidly anti- Semitic and ally of Hitlers final solution Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini.

He brought them in to counteract Jewish immigration at the time.

That architect of international terror Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt and his Arabic surname translated as “the Egyptian”

interestingly, as well as inventing international terrorism he also served as an example to his Palestinian leadership successors in siphoning off monetary aid from the credulous international community. His estate was about €8 Billion!

Because there's no in "tent" ion to do so?

Sorry.

We do. It's going to be quite a scandal in years to come.

Ukrainian ambassador now on NT, asked if she senses a change in Irish attitudes to Ukrainians "has the welcome waned?"