Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

Ive never been burned though. Thats rare enough to be honest. Even if you get 3 months out of a paud dodgy stream at even 80 for the year its paid for itself.

IPTV may reduce total TV revenue but once again this has nothing to do with HOW a club distributes it.

There is no connection. If a club cuts low paid staff instead of high paid staff that's on them.

Have you any sort of evidence to back this up. Normally when clubs get relegated for instance there are redundancies. But that is due to less catering needed, less ticketing staff, less crowd control. It is not due to the reduction in income. Clubs don't let go the tea lady, the chefs, because they are still needed.

But mainly after a relegation all the players take pay cuts and then the redundancies start.

Likewise, 5 or so years with 2 different providers and never more than the odd hour of down time. Again, recommendations are the only thing to go off and not a twitter or Facebook post.

Yes COVID was different, but what Liverpool decided was that they wanted the British taxpayer to pick up the £1.5 tab for the non playing staff rather than pay the it themselves, or rather than trim the players salaries to cover the cost of it.

So it's an insight into how a clubs think in these situations.

You are being stupid now, if you want to make a point make a proper one, not that daftness.

But it's the fans who demand this model, they are the ones that want to see as many games as possible, they are the ones who what to see the big players playing for their team and challenging for trophies domestically and in Europe.

Putting those players on the field and winning those trophies costs money, so it has to come from somewhere and media rights is one of those somewheres.

In the first EPL season 60 games, or 15% of all games were broadcast per year, in the next deal that will be up to 270 or 71% of the games per year.

Much of top flight soccer is now also funded by wealthy owners, but those wealthy owners would not have got involved in the first place if they didn't see the value in it.

So are you saying that a down turn in TV money would be (in some way) similar to relegation ?

Players take a hit after relegation because there are relegation clauses in their contracts.

There is no guarantee players would take the hit in a loss of media revenue situation.

It would take a huge drop in a TV deal to be similar to regelation but it still would affect the day to day running of the club and the numbers employed.

In reality, they are only as good as their last countermeasure. It is a kind of eternal war between the systems developers (and broadcasters) and the pirates. One of easiest fixes would be a rethink of the geographical programme rights. Some people would subscribe to various services but they are not available or some other broadcaster has bought the rights for their country. The programme rights problem was causing problems in the late 1980s with satellite TV and it still has not been fixed. Perhaps the only way that some people will be happy is when there's a system that provides encryption as far as the eyeballs. There are just too many points of vulnerability in any Conditional Access system used to protect programmes. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist on this. I'm a former conspirer.) The biggest problem for the broadcasters is that the economic model for piracy, from an end-user point of view, is still viable even after having been burned a few times.

Regards...jmcc

Or get an IPTV sub and watch all of your teams games for €60 a year

....well thats it, ive openly invited criminals into my home, theyre robbing me, its a bit harsh calling broadcasters criminals, but shur.....

Rang to cancel HD on Sky and Netflix and got through to a call centre in India or Pakistan the other day.

After talking to the guy for about 20 mins he said he couldn’t cancel them.

They’ve some neck being allowed to easily add on services with their app and then not being not able to cancel them to then tell people not to stream illegally for sport that they rip people off with on satellite.

You need to have a base pack for entertainment etc at a minimum to add on sports and/or movies at a price over 40 quid.

Robbing B*******s.

Ireland is just too small a market.

It was suggested earlier in the thread that the reason Irish Sky subscribers don't get the option of picking just Sky Sports Premier League etc for a lower price is because we are easy targets for gouging.

When in fact the reality is it's not worth it for Sky to break up their package offerings like in the UK.

The numbers picking Sky Sports Cricket, or Sky Sports golf would be miniscule.

The vast majority would be pick Sky Sports Premier League anyway, even Sky Sports Football subs would be tiny.

So it's not worth their while to offer it.

So IPTV isnt reducing viewership numbers?

Recycled press releases rarely mention the percentage of viewers and revenue lost to piracy. The aim when companies publish their earnings and revenues like this is to make things appear as good as possible. The main thing is that the percentage losses remain small. The other way of presenting it is to ignore the losses to piracy outside the broadcaster's home market where it has the broadcasting rights for the programmes. This is because outside the broadcaster's rights area, piracy in those areas is a problem for other broadcasters who have the rights for those markets.

Pirate IPTV viewership would break down into three categories. The first is the viewer who wants to avoid paying but could afford to pay for the service. The second category is the viewer who could not afford to pay for the service. The third category is the viewer outside the rights area who could not legally subscribe. Apart from reducing the level of piracy, the broadcasters want to convert as many of the first category of viewers into subscribers. The coverage of the issue in the Irish media hasn't been exactly clueful.

Regards...jmcc