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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,827 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So the rest of the world should join Israel with collective punishment on the citizens on Gaza by withholding lifesaving aid?

    Be complicit in war crimes? Nah, no thanks.

    This.... This... This.. As horrific as the 7/10 terrorist attacks were, nothing Israel can do can undo it. Israel are not under imminent threat from Hamas.

    Cancer is a good analogy, you target cancer, you don't just go jabbing away limbs and think it will cure the patient. You miss the smallest piece and it will come back with a vengeance. The world grieved with Israel, but I'm sorry to say the absolute destruction of Gaza by the IDF has totally overshadowed the deaths on 7/10. That's on the IDF. Israel could have milked the front pages for weeks, had a cool and collected response, instead they drove the Palestinian cause to the front page. It in a way dishonors those who were butchered on 7/10. You don't defend against war crimes with war crimes, you don;t honor the dead of 1200 with the killing of 12000.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you have a credible source for a Hamas link of IDF officers to be raped?

    Is it like the revelation of the secret Hamas document to attack junior schools on October 7th, a public holiday?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Of course. Calorie counts are meaningless if you are not getting even the basic quantities of food.



  • Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    No. I don't keep links in case someone on boards is looking for "proof ". Guess what I said means f**k all so...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So a 2 month old baby was burned in an oven in front of it’s parents when the only baby reported killed in Israel in October 7th was a 10 month old girl tragically killed by gunfire.

    It always amazes me how we are expected to believe these stories from people who allegedly come across a scene after the fact and then recount in detail how everything happened and in what sequence. Like the story of the family at breakfast whose daughter had her leg cut off in front of the parents then the son had his fingers or toes (depending on who is telling the story) cut off in front of them while the terrorists laughed and ate breakfast before killing them all.

    It’s like when a pub bore recounts a story of an event which they didn’t witness and in order to convince you the story is true starts going into detail they couldn’t possibly know, then he said, then she said, when they weren’t even there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,827 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I tried to google "IDF officers to be raped", it's the total opposite. have a look and see, you can understand someone looking for a link rather than looking through claims of IDF soliders raping Palestinians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,762 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    We know how it will end- America's unwavering support for Israel. Even if the IDF admit- which I doubt they will- the command center was not under the hospital, it will be brushed under the carpet- especially if they subsequently find the main command center in Southern Gaza as Olmert has suggested they will. I am just wondering is there anything Israel could do that would actually make the American Goverment condemn them? If that day comes Israel might then start to give a ****, until that day comes they won't really care what the rest of the world thinks of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Sure.

    This girl told me, you wouldn’t know her she goes to a different school vibes.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Don't bother. There are people on here disputing that any rapes even happened. This despite the victims testimony, and images of women with blood soaked pants and bodies of women and girls naked from the waist down going viral for all to see .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Please give a source or let us know where we can look for it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Without wishing to diminish the savagery and barbarity of Hamas for a moment, there actually are some doubts that large numbers of women were sexually assaulted that day. Independent observers and monitors say that whilst it is undoubtedly true that at least 800 Israeli civilians were murdered in cold blood on October 7th (mostly through being shot), they've seen considerably less evidence of women being raped on a large scale.

    It's certainly noticeable that whilst videos taken from killed Hamas terrorists show numerous shootings of civilians taking place, there don't seem to be any of women being sexually assaulted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The viral photos of victims of October 7th, shared by the IDF that were actually photos of Kurdish victims from May 2023?


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    More disinformation from the IDF.

    Jewish people are going to suffer because of the actions of Nethanyahu, his government, the IDF and Israel enablers in this moment.

    The world is watching them butcher Palestinians as they look to take over Gaza with a PR campaign that showcases serious levels of fame news.

    Not everyone is going to dissassocciate innocent Jewish and Israeli people with the people doing this and some will undoubtedly suffer as a consequence.

    Hamas is not all Palestinians

    Israeli warmongers and genocide advocates are not all Jewish people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No. The ones like this. She is heavily bleeding. Perfectly innocent though I'm sure. Not gonna post some of the other, verified photos of half naked female victims, including Shani Louk. Easily found if you so wish.





  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    I’m honestly shocked you’re saying they’re restricting themselves and “for instance they have not used nuclear weapons” like it’s some form of moral high ground and then following up knowing they would lose military aid if they did. My mind is blown…

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  • Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭Jimi H


    It’s devastating seeing so many civilians killed and injured. I’m really disappointed with Biden with his ‘no red lines’. Netanyahu said back in the 90s that the US were easy to handle and it’s proving to be the case. There’s going to be a whole new generation across the Middle East who will view Israel as the enemy and who knows if this will lead to wider conflicts.

    Also more disinformation from the Israelis exposed here by the NY Times who attributed blame for bombing Al Shifa to Hamas when of course it was them. Lies and lies and more lies.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CztzAowuTBq/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    “Without wishing to diminish the savagery…”


    This thread is packed with posters exaggerating what the IDF is doing (“genocide””ethnic cleansing” etc) whilst at the same time playing down what Hamas did.


    Aside from Tell me how’s good effort a long time ago now, posters alternative plans for Israel/the IDF in Gaza usually amount to “well I wouldn’t do this or that”. Unfortunately that won’t do, sadly. The number of innocents killed is tragic and to be condemned but Israel have to get rid of Hamas in Gaza who hide among civilians and civilian infrastructure. I don’t know how else Israel get to Hamas infrastructure in Gaza without going into Gaza.


    Of course Hamas in Gaza could release the hostages and surrender but, they won’t, so the suffering sadly and tragically continues.


    Given the surprise of the 7th Oct attack ‘the end game’ for Gaza is unknown. As we saw with Iraq and Libya that can be very difficult. As I said near the outset of this thread Gaza could be Gaza on the Med if the terrorists would lay down their weapons and wicked ideology and focus on living instead of dying, not to mention focusing on good for the Gazans rather than evil for the Israelis.


    If Gaza was peaceful Israel would have no reason/excuse to build walls etc etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Israel found feck all at Al Shifa hospital, so now they're going to flatten it.





  • Registered Users Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭rogber


    Sources within Hamas have said they were shocked at the lack of resistance on the day and how much time they were let run loose and that certain elements may, as a result, have gone a bit far.

    Which is still far short of being any sort of apology.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    The IDF are hideous evil ****.

    My jaw is on the floor at what they are at this morning.

    Objective 1 is they want all Gazans out of Gaza at all costs. They couldn't give a **** about saving their own civilians.

    That is as clear as daylight. The world is slowly waking up to the gaslighting nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Some of us said from the start that this was what it was all about - an ethnic cleansing, a genocide of Gaza. And then the West Bank too.

    We are being proven right.

    Israel is the moral equivalent of Russia, of Assad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    For all Von Der Leyens grandstanding - this is absolutely going to have an impact on Europe. If things keep going on the same trajectory, another couple of million refugees will be sent this way dispersed across systems struggling with capacity as is.

    She has gone quiet lately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Of course you’re not. The photo posted by the IDF of the victim naked from the waist down was from a different conflict in May 2023 and was deleted by the IDF once exposed.

    Are you claiming that Shani Louk was raped too? Like the president of Israel claiming she was decapitated.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Who knows what the future will bring, but it is racing certainty Ireland's position in the world will be greatly enhanced for the stand it has taken on this matter.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭freebritney


    It was clear from thr get go that Israel saw a golden oppurtunity to clear Gaza after Oct 7th. The simple murder of 100's of civilians wouldn't be enough to justify what they were about to do so they started to "sex up" the details with stories of beheaded babies etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Certainly Hamas will look lovingly towards us.

    Civilized countries not so much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,921 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    '' The day job'' ?? Have you seen the employment figures for Gaza?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yes, that amazed me about some of the revelations from October 7th. There are tens of thousands of Asian migrant workers in Israel, many from Thailand that work 5 year contracts while at the same time, literally a few kilometres away and hundreds of thousands of unemployed Palestinians who aren’t given work permits.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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