Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

What context do you need he was screaming about doing October 7th again and again

It's a well-known figure of speech and does not especially apply to the situation in Gaza. Have you ever heard the expression " Don't give up the day job"? same meaning, and not to be taken literally.

But on the subject of Gaza unemployment figures, and applicable everywhere ( Syria,Afghanistan,Pakistan etc) in Country's with high unemployment figures, you will find large numbers of people, (able bodied men especially) joining the likes of Hamaz, ISIS, Al-Quaida, Taleban etc. many not out of any great religious conviction (but outwardly they have to maintain the appearances of the devout) but solely because it's a means of supporting their families. It's the only income available. That has applied for many years in Gaza and applies there now too. They work for Hamaz, and when they are finished, walk back out onto the street, and go home to their families. All perfectly normal looking and above board.

The sick thing is that, for some on here, actual video of bodies of kids strewn around rooms today is less important than fabricated tales on beheaded babies from over a month ago.

You can't bring back the dead people, but you can stop more from being unnecessarily killed. Surely that would be the priority for most reasonable people?

Haven't seen even the IDF come out with this nonsense that most people are working for Hamas.

The furthest day go is implying that because Hamas got 44% of the vote in elections 16 years ago that everyone in Gaza supports them, which is BS in and of itself, but to suggest that a significant number of the men work for them as you are doing is without basis in any sort of factual evidence as afar as I can see.

I googled about the UCD thing. Here is a Palestinian looking fella getting assaulted just before the other fella kicked off

It looks like the white haired fella tried to unfurl some T-shirt which was snatched off him

5 weeks ago, Israel told everyone in Northern Gaza to move south, for their own safety.

They then said that Hamas was sheltering in the Al Shifa hospital which they then raided and found no legitimate evidence that this was the case.

Now, they are telling people in southern Gaza to move again, for their own safety.

They have also now started to say that the real location of Hamas operations is at a hospital in south Gaza.

They are clearing the Gaza strip as they carry out their Genocide. Israel is a rogue state.

Yeah it started with 638 AD with the Caliph Umar. Kinda similar timeline to the English invading Ireland but the English were not as successful with their cleansing of this island.

Your argument is stupid because ultimately if you want peace you need to get over history and live together. Northern Ireland a pretty recent example where 2 opposite cultures put aside their differences for peace.

So far, the IDF have only searched an extremely small area of tunnels beneath the hospital and basically, only scratched the surface. It's also very possible that if Hamas had been using the tunnel directly under the hospital, then it would have been "cleaned of any real evidence before the attack on the 7th. Hamaz knew very well what would happen after the attack and planned for such events. The IDF knew very well some areas of the tunnels, the part that they had built themselves, but the newer additions? That I'm not so sure about, but time will tell.

From the safety, security and invisibility of working hundreds of klms of tunnels buried between 2 & 3 hundred feet below ground, sure you could. Hamaz has moved equipment, men and supplies, and at their leisure at that. No problem. Bring in the night shift. Thats not a joke by the way. How do you think that hundreds and hundreds klms of tunnels were built???

Whether its possible or not for Israel to be defeated, does not matter. What matter is what Israeli's believe, and if they think they are under threat, that's enough for them. Just look at how long Putin has held power, all based on the lie that he is saving Russians from the Ukrainian Nazi's?

They've no army, no airforce, no navy, no tanks, no artillery, no supply lines.

This isn't a war, it's a brutal show of strength against a guerilla organization.

And Israel is providing recruits fir that organization for the next 20 years.

If you were a 25 yr old man whose entire family was killed in a missile attack, would you wait for future elections to try and vote Hamas out as you're being told to do by your attackers and their funders?

Or would you pick up a rocket if you had the chance? I know what I would do. And all of the ubernationalists in western nations are very vocal about the need to defend their own respective countries, and yet they are denouncing Palestinians for actually doing so in practice.

The intention is to remove the Palestinian population from Gaza. If they can’t forcibly expel them they will make Gaza uninhabitable by destroying the housing stock, infrastructure, everything. They are literally bulldozing Gaza out of existence through their policy of Bomb, Bulldoze, Wipeout.

This current war has lasted decades what do you mean

Claiming that they have 'no choice' but to do it in order to keep Israel safe. It seems Israel's safety will come at the expense of an entire population of 2m people being ethnically cleansed of their land.

Fairly graphic and accurate description of the barbaric act of cutting someones throat. Given your medical knowledge could you describe the effects of over pressure from an explosion on a human body, especially a childs. Maybe describe how the organs are basically liquidised. While we're at it you might descibe the feelings of terror when the building your in collapses due to a JDAM strike and you find yourself buried alive, wedged up against the body parts of your child/parent/sibling. The pilot flying the F35 or the Predator drone gets no less of a free pass than the guy hacking someones neck.

The root case cannot be tackled as Hama's was unwilling to talk/ negotiate with Israel. The Camp David summit in 2000 between Yasser Arafat and Ehud Barak hosted by Clinton was the last real attempt and that showed that the Palestinians were incapable of coming to an agreement. Barak conceded, conceded and conceded but Arafat never gave what his expectations for a settlement were and when it reached the final stages he walked away.

How can you negotiate with an entity who's raisin de etre is the complete destruction of Israel. Look at there cry ''from the river ( Jordan) to the sea Palestine will be free'' maybe some chanting that do not understand stand the meaning but most do and those who originally started shouting it did as well.

Hama's has had nearly twenty years to do something positive for the Palestinian people instead it has created a labyrinth of tunnels to rival the London Underground.

The reality is Israel can only look at this from a security viewpoint as both Hamas and Hezbollah as well as most other factions want the destruction of Israel. Unfortunately Hamas by its action and the Palestinian people by there acceptance of Hamas within them have brought the old Roman curse of ''Iron and ashes'' down upon them.

This could end of the hostages were released and if Hamas left Gaza.tge problem for the Palestinian's even if there was a solution tomorrow morning, the Palestinians themselves are unwilling to enforce that settlement.

In 2000 at Camp David they were offered Gaza and the West Bank with an overhead road/ railway connecting them with certain security considerations for Israel. They refused that solution. I do not think they will get that offer again.

I saw a video where a anti zionist Rabbi was describing how the Palestinians are not antisemetic, they are anti-settler. I think that is the greatest stroke Israel has pulled, equating being against settlement expansion and the treatment of Palestinians with antisemitism. If the settlers were Pastafarians from the Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster I'm pretty sure Hamas and the other organisations would exist. It allows them to shut down all legitimate criticism of their actions and is used on this thread on a daily basis. I think people are coping on to it and getting sick of the vicitm mentality Israel constantly deployes.