"Green" policies are destroying this country

Oh boy, you really don't get it. Solar for your home is fine, if you have batteries. It'll reduce your bill a bit in summer alright. Now, pay attention, this is the important bit, at a grid level it makes balancing supply difficult because it's so unreliable from one season to the next, especially winter when we have peak demand. The more solar we have connected, the more back-up plants we have to have ready to meet demand during our busiest times. Peaking plants, typically open cycle units are more expensive to have on standby and less efficient than closed cycle turbines. Ergo, electricity becomes more expensive not less.

Why are you still quoting me? especially when you are trying to be condescending . A child can google and then post the "information" you just provided. If you want to be condescending to someone, I would suggest you have more than a basic google knowledge on the topic first.

Yeah or imagine the ability to tell if it was going to be sunny tomorrow, or cloudy, or rainy.

Or even weeks in advance

Even the ability to link a home PV system with a solar prediction site so you use the solar/battery to get the best value out of them

We can all hope that technology becomes available in the future

Winter is here! People burning their waste, plastics in open fires, provides heat and dont need to pay as much or at all for waste. In urban areas in particular, it should be banned. Getting people to drive electric cars, when this carry on is still permitted! LOL!

Cant get any money for that though, protecting the environment from air pollution...

One season to the next? More like one minute to the next. Clouds moving over Ireland have a huge impact on grid scale solar. The Danish TSO are particularly concerned about this already (and they are part of a large synchronous area, we aren't). See Fig 2 in this report for an example of the issue (https://energinet.dk/media/jkwn4ekx/driving-towards-grid-balance.pdf)

Then you have the daily problem of load ramping up in the morning, only for solar to assist some days, once it starts to get bright, but not so much on cloudy/dark days. The grid needs ramping capability to balance the frequency (all costs money). The opposite happens in the evening, sometimes it's exacerbated by the load ramping up for the evening peak while the solar disappears into the darkness, meaning even greater levels of balancing generation is required (at cost).

Of course Saoirse and Fionán with their amazing home energy solar/battery solution don't need to trouble their little heads about the grid stability issue, they're getting free electricity when the sun shines. Problem is, they expect that when the sun doesn't shine the grid will magically provide their power again despite having contributed lower payments towards DTUoS and DUoS through consuming less energy. They also cause Esb problems because the distribution system was designed for one way power flows. If they want to export to the grid there are issues with lots of relays that aren't designed for bidirectional flows. Again, more cost to other customers to allow them earn a feed in tariff.

I can forsee a future where electricity packages are no longer sold on a kWh used basis but instead move more towards an energy as a service model. Something similar happened with broadband back in the day with pay for MB and later GB consumed was replaced with an all you can eat type approach for a flat fee by several suppliers.

"Of course Saoirse and Fionán"

The 50,000 people on the largest facebook Irish solar group, not one of them called Saoirse or Fionan. Opp's for you

"I can forsee a future where electricity packages are no longer sold on a kWh used basis but instead move more towards an energy as a service model"

Would you not describe what we have already is "energy as a service", we pay for what we use which is the standard description for "as a service"

What we will have in the future is the companies will change the rates more, so the rate will have a band scale and you will be able to see by the minute. The usual example if everyone watching a program and turning on the kettle at a break, if you do this you will be charged more but if you wait 2-3 mins you will be charged less.

At the moment with the new smart meters they are restricting to hourly period but this will change.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/mankind-will-require-additional-crop-land-equivalent-to-that-of-brazils-by-2030/

So you know everyone's name based on a social media account? Wow. That's amazing. Possibly even more amazing than admitting to using Facebook these days.

Maybe you should give MTV a shout and take over that Catfish program? Every episode would be over in a minute with your skills.

The cost that matters is the one that's paid.

Especially after all the extras are added on. Those auctions are only part of the equation. Grid reinforcements aren't free, nor is maintenance and repair.

... which are therefore borne by the end customer, ie the electricity consumer. Nothing is free. But I guess it suits your narrative to dilute it by splitting costs.

As always, you are quick to respond with something, but never quite answer the question asked. What, in your opinion, is the end cost (ballpark is acceptable) that the electricity customer in Ireland will be expected to pay (auctions, Eirgrid, batteries, hydrogen, whatever else) if all 37GW is built?

Facebook is excellent for groups like the Solar ones etc. Especially the ones that are closed so the people with nothing to add to the topic can be quickly kicked.

If you don't understand how facebook and groups work that a discussion for another thread

Ah, the good old fashioned echo chamber. Explains a lot really

You use a Facebook group for your extremely limited understanding of the problem yet I'm the uninformed one? Yes you are