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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Shehal


    She's just looking for any excuse possible to give Scarlets the ball. Show's just how hopeless they are that they still cant score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Excellent from McCarthy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭scott1974


    Ironically Davidson got that scrum call wrong in Leinsters favour.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure look, it's good experience at adapting to the ref. Something we sometimes struggle with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Blackheath


    Why is Porter on so long against a poor Scarlets team



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinster are lacking the execution that was so precise during the Lancaster years. Handling and accuracy at the breakdown has been poor.

    It's clear that we're still between two eras currently as Nienaber is yet to take over. I hope for better against Munster.

    McCarthy, Keenan and Osborne were the standouts tonight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Surely that gets checked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Yellow is probably fair given the drop in height



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Ross Byrne past 1000 leinster points now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Clarkson?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Perhaps the stats don't back this up, but I wouldn't have SA down as a particularly precise team in terms of handling and breakdown accuracy. More trying to get on top of chaos.

    It may not be too dissimilar to the shift from Schmidt to Farrell when Ireland got less accurate but far more lethal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Blackheath


    Larmour looked sharper this week



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Blackheath


    Gunne looked tidy also



  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Blackheath


    Keenan is just a class player, his positioning and timing is second to none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭JPCN1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Oh I'm not expecting Lancaster levels of accuracy when Nienaber comes in. It's just that right now Leinster just look a bit sloppy and not quite at their best.

    I have been impressed with our defence since the Glasgow game though. Feel like we really go up a level of physicality when the opposition's enters our 22 and we start making big hits that sends the opposition backwards from the gain line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Didn't see the game but 54-5... is there really much to complain about?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It really wasn't as impressive as the scoreline suggests. I'm happy they overcame some struggles and put a good scoreline down. Bit surprised Prendergast was taken off when he was all things considered. The second quarter was really terrible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    We could have Ed Byrne returning and possibly Henshaw for next week's tilt. I reckon there will be some changes but nothing too risqué.

    Could see Gunne once more. If he's on the field with Craig Casey, we will witness 2 of the smallest lads available on show!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,760 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Osbourne is a ridiculous talent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Osborne is in pole position to start the La Rochelle game at 12 if he stays fit. He's playing far too well to be left out. Ngatai hasn't let Leinster down either. Both are fine options.

    Henshaw should be made work his way back into the side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Really like Ngatai. He always gets go forward ball and tough as nails but Osborne has it all. Good size (and will continue to fill into his frame), can make a break, big left boot but also has the passing game and soft hands. That catch and pass for Prendergasts try was superb. Also threw a lovely left to right long pass in the second half which might not have got many plaudits but plenty of top centres who struggle to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Joe McCarthy could easily have won MotM last night. He's turning into that second row brute which Leinster have been looking for for years. Ryan is world class, but doesn't have the sheer physicality of the former. McCarthy makes metres over the gain line despite being lined up by two or more tacklers. He can smash lads a mile behind the gain line as well. He has that Doris like ability of becoming more prominent the longer the match goes in as well. I'd like to see him start against Munster.

    I'd also like to see Penny get a start as well. He's performed well for years now and at 24 he needs to start getting these games or he'd rightfully have to start looking elsewhere.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    It's not usual to feel sorry for opposing coaches but when the camera panned a few times on to Peel and Payne you could see they were shell shocked. I felt for them. They have no hiding place. When they were at Ulster they were pretty successful. Scarlets seem lost on the pitch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I’d like to see Penny get a start next week too. Thought last night (or at least the first half) was one of VDFs least impressive outings for a long time. Pennys early season form has been good and he deserves the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,340 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Where's @[Deleted User]?

    We need him to make a Leinster vs Munster thread.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Just watching last night's game now. Prendergast, for all his attacking prowess, really does not like making tackles.

    He'll need to get that sorted if he wants to play international rugby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    He played 50 minutes and made 7 tackles missing 1.

    Ross played for half an hour and only made 1 tackle. Does Ross need to make more tackles too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Joe McCarthy makes letting Jenkins exit fairly easy. I'd hold onto Jenkins at the right price. It would make sense to me. Would a French side pay Jenkins a big salary? I don't think he's worth top $. In saying that the other locks we have available are more workman type players, Molony and Deeny are similar in type and Soroka looks to be a typical Irish lock/blindside. O'Tighernaigh while good at 20's level, strikes me as a similar type as the aforementioned. He doesn't seem to be a big lump of power. Although he's just 20.

    Spending big on a lock doesn't make sense, unless it's Ethzebeth or Skelton.

    VDF probably needs to bench at least next week. Getting him up to speed is critical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭letsbefair


    Gas people judging VDF, he was a nuisance for the whole game. A wee bit rusty maybe but will start against Munster



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Don’t think anyone is judging him, we all know how good a player he is. He made a few uncharacteristic errors for his own high standards yesterday. I think it’s fair say that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    He's a world player of the year. That's his standard.

    I think its fair to say he was poor by his standards last night. Undoubtedly he will improve but he did fall off one or 2 uncharacteristic tackles and had 2 very basic handing errors. Something that is extremely unusual to see from him.

    No one is saying he's past it or anything like that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I can see things building nicely and most of the internationals are reintegrating very quickly. Promising to see.

    I was concerned earlier in the season about the general cohesion in the team. Especially in the backs. The Munster pre season game and the Glasgow game especially were devoid of any real continuity in general backline play.

    This has vastly improved and was our best (but still needs improving) performance in that facet last night. I do think Goodman being away affected us quite badly and we can see his influence now that he is back.

    Shrewd selection from Leo last night giving 2 players who probably needed the strongest team around them starts. Clarkson and Prendergast thrived in the circumstances of having some top quality around them to help them along.

    Clarkson has had 2 weeks in a row now of good solid outings which will stand to him.

    Prendergast got that extra half second he still probably needs while he develops and it stood to him. He pulled the strings nicely and was ably assisted by Ringrose, Osborne and Keenan all of whom are happy in that first receiver position too. A great showing from the young man.

    I liked the look of Big Joe last night. No silly penalities given and he even adapted on the fly when he was caught in a 50/50. He jumped the gun for a box kick charge down and got out of the way for no effect on play. And he came around for a ball out call but checked with Davidson before making the move. Both glimpses to a player who is learning and gaining great experience. He's a phenomenal athlete who possesses a unique ability to break the first tackle. His footwork is just so good. Even threw a beautiful side step to beat the rushing first man.

    Great to see Tadgh back looking refreshed. I think the days of barnstorming carries and highlight reel steps might be a rarer sight but he had a real impact in the tackle last night. Thunderous impacts there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    The Intergating lads must be difficult. Both weekends worked out nicely. Still looking to get minutes into Lowe and Henshaw. Next weekend is another chance to try to bed in the lads and our new coach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I'd say Cullen is afeard the IRFU will take one of their NIQ slots off them if they demonstrate an ability to thrive without Ngatai with Henshaw out. Or at least it'd be a small factor in the back of his head. So if it's a 50/50 call between Osborne and Ngatai at 12 they'll go for the latter. To get selected Osborne might have to in the selectors' heads be that much better than Ngatai that it actually sways a big match like LAR in Leinster's favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    I watched the game back again and I'm fairly convinced a different ref might have penalised Joe at least 3 times. I dont think the calls were necessarily wrong, but they were borderline and they all went in his favour.

    He is a serious talent though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    The one where he ran around and stole it shouldn't have been allowed, for me. He ran around when the ball was still in the ruck into an offside position, hesitated and then the referee told him it was out before it was (I think it might have actually been out when he put hands on it).

    The officiating at the ruck (and in general) was very lax. Both teams were allowed do all sorts of silly stuff beyond the ruck and interfering with opposition ball/players. Offside line wasn't really policed either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Big Joe coming through is brilliant for Ireland and for Leinster, my major concern is always that if James Ryan or Joe McCarthy were to pick up injuries that sideline them for a prolonged period of time that we have only one international caliber lock on the team. Yes Ryan Baird is still a lock but seems to be preferred at flanker for club and country.

    I can see Jenkins getting a nice contract elsewhere next season and Leinster not being in a rush to pay him but I think it is of the utmost importance for Leinster to bring in another lock who can make the impact they wanted Jenkins to make.

    Do I think its going to be someone like Lood De Jager or Maro Itoje? realistically no. Would it be nice? absolutely! I think Leinster do end up signing a lock, the mischievous part of me would love to steal RG Snyman from Munster but his injury history the past number of years makes that a very difficult and expensive.

    I think Leinster can afford to splash the cash a little bit and go for a experienced international lock who is a step above Jenkins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It would depend on who is available and the cost. We could end up with Jack Dunne who is not getting a look in at Exeter. That would be a poor return. Snyman wouldn't be worth the bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It would probably be Ngati. His experience would sway it. Henshaw hasn't played and Ngati is playing well. I'd like to see Osborne.

    On Henshaw, he needs a run. If Osborne does make a good showing at 12, Henshaw could find himself playing catch up



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Itoje might be available on the cheap if Saracens declare Farrell as their marquee player.

    I don't think he's the right type of lock but you wouldn't turn up your nose at him.



  • Posts: 0 Lia Sweet Racist


    Itoje on the cheap would still be c. €450k based on the numbers being proposed (he's supposedly being offered £400k to stay at Sarries).

    There is absolutely no way I could see the IRFU or Leinster sanctioning that sort of cash for that sort of signing, and nor should they.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Jack Dunne and Ultan Dillane spring to mind due to being Irish and contracts ending at the end of the season. I think Dunne would be a lot more likely than Dillane but have heard that Dunne doesn't want to come back to Ireland if it meant he didn't get to play some games which is fair.

    I just really hope Leinster are aggressive in the market when they do plan to sign some players. Yes the emphasis 100% should be on producing and promoting Irish talent and developing them to the highest standard and I of course don't want to see Joe McCarthy's development stunted by a big money signing but I also look at Leinsters second row outside of James Ryan and Joe McCarthy and see some very decent players but none who fill me with too much confidence when it comes to the Champions cup or another player pushing for Ireland consideration in the next 2 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Well, Baird did start the Grand Slam game against England in the 6N at lock, as well as featuring off the bench against Italy and Scotland, also as a second rower.

    And Molony was favoured ahead of McCarthy to start the last two European Cup Finals.

    Deeny is at an age where he really needs some games, and O'Tighearnaigh has excellent pedigree in terms of his U20 profile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Baird seems to be favored at blindside flanker a lot more these days for both Leinster and Ireland meaning that it wouldn't be any harm to bring in an additional lock to add extra depth. I do like the younger prospects at lock on the team but I still don't think they are ready to make a serious impact currently.

    At Loosehead, Tighthead and lock, I would love to see Leinster bring in some additional veteran depth. Leinster are going to be absolutely clinical in attack and with Nienaber now coming in, I think the defense improves even further. I just have concerns about the scrum and line out at times. An additional experienced line out operator would welcomed. A loosehead and tighthead next season to replace the potential retirement of Cian Healy and Michael Ala'alatoa leaving would be a big help.

    Yes we have the likes of Jack Boyle, Paddy McCarthy and Rory McGuire coming through at prop but even a year contract next season at both prop positions and lock would be hugely beneficial for Leinster and for the development of the young prospects across the squad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Yeah. I'd like to see Martin Moore signed for tighthead. He's a quality operator and would fit the South African approach of having scrum specialists coming off the bench to help sway big games.

    Loosehead, I can't see it. Signing someone would be a good way to make Milne look for a move away. The Union would take some convincing to allow it too with Kitshoff at Ulster.

    Overall, I think your perception might have been coloured somewhat by there being weaker squads for the first few games of the season due to the World Cup. That won't be the case every season, and with few to no games during international windows there's less gametime for squad players compared to when it was the Pro 12/Pro 14.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I don't think there are many locks in world rugby capable of stunting McCarty's development. He will be starting the 6 nations games for Ireland I reckon. If he stays fit, he is going to come on a serious chunk this season.



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