What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

I dont think the framers and the founders ever imagined someone like Donald Trump would get within spitting distance of the Presidency.

People still trying to maintain it was an Insurrection when the footage released yesterday shows anything but.

Then what was it?

We have terms such as a bloodless coup when eg the heads of state are arrested and the coup plotters' replacements put in .

That could possibly be called an insurrection

This was similar but (a) it failed and (b) it was bloody.

An insurrection could describe it but not all insurrections look the same on the outside .

The same way as white collar crime can ,wrongly be seen as victimless(here again Trump is a good example)

I was just reading twitter and the right wingers are posting them exact same stuff you are.

Posting a short video to suit their narrative.

We saw it on live tv, we saw them smash their way in, we saw them beat the police.

Are you going to try to argue that they weren't armed again?

We also saw BLM and Antifa hoodlums riot, loot, maim, kill, and commit over 2bn dollars of damage.

Cities were destroyed, businesses destroyed, livelihoods ruined.

We were however told that these incidents were mostly peaceful protests though and the Democrats even bailed out some of these hoodlums so they could reoffend as it suited their agenda.

Despite all the patronising bewailing over riots by the Left when it came to Jan. 6, the devastation caused by the BLM riots was widely accepted, if not celebrated, by these same people.

Rioting and destruction are permitted just so long as they are done under the guise of politically left-wing aspirations it seems.

What happened on Jan 6th was a picnic in comparison.

I'd be in fear of my life with that mob breaking down the door and showing no signs of stopping.

Let's not also negate the reasons behind the BLM protests and what happened on Jan 6th. BLM was based on protests of how black people are treated by law enforcement following the unlawful killing of a black man, and while there were pockets of looting, vandalism and violence, that was never the aim and was largely condemned. Jan 6th was about trying to prevent the certification of a democratically held election because their candidate didn't win, where vandalism and violence was very much part of the aim to help achieve that goal.

But of course, the only way to try and defend Jan 6th is to point to something else as a deflection, because if forced to actually discuss Jan 6th on its own merits all the defenders can rely on is trying to post selective videos from Capitol hallways where people were walking casually.

Textbook example of whataboutery right here.

Can't actually defend the insurrection except with deliberate misinformation and deflection.

How many hours of footage from the insurrection had to be parsed through to find the least offensive elements so you could trot out absolute nonsense about a 'picnic'? Well?

An entirely bad faith argument.

Which of them tried to disrupt a presidential vote count?

Which of them tried to propagate a failed candidate to the white house?

Who was complaining about racism?

Not saying the BLM was innocent and all righteous, but there is a difference between protesting against systematic racism, and trying to elect somebody who lost an election

Let's face it, someone with a tiny penis (as described by the prostitute he slept with while his wife was giving birth) is still struggeling with his daddy issues..at that age. He is a child and can't be taught a dogs new tricks. At that age, if he can't have already have grown as a person, and anyone who supports him sees that in him. America has become a place where that can't happen for the ordinary person. That's their society.

I think we all saw Trump swear an Oath of Allegience to the Constitution and the United States of America.

Morally, yes Trump and his Gravy Seals should be labelled “Traitors”, charged with “Treason” and sanctioned accordingly.

Trick is, the legal definition of Traitor and Treason varies from country to country, and in the States I believe these mostly just apply to wartime acts or proven work on behalf of a hostile nation. This is why “insurrectionist” is the word the gets used more. Thanks to the Civil War they have a framework to sanction people who tried to overthrow the Federal Government (in that case by creating a renegade state, the Confederacy), and they get called insurrectionists. So they have to sanction Trump using things like that.

I’d be inclined to go a bit further and not just define Trump as a mere Traitor though. There have been comparisons between him and Hitler, but I feel that a more accurate comparison is an equally infamous individual: Vidkun Quisling

You might have heard the term “Quisling” before, and even during the war itself it had become a slur to define a traitor to ones own people. Not just an old fashioned turn-coat mind you, but a self-centred bell-end who would sell their own country down the river to ingratiate themselves. This was Vidkun Quisling, an unpopular Norwegian politician who helmed a failed clone of the Nazi Party and subsequently shared military secrets with the Germans ahead of their invasion of Norway. He even used the German approach to Oslo as a chance to grab control of the government (which actually failed, no-one took him seriously, not even the Germans).

He spent the German Occupation heading a puppet government, styling himself as a “Minister President” while rubber-stamping German activities related to the Holocaust and sending Norwegians to join the SS. (Many of whom ended up dying in the Battle of Berlin).

He was captured by the returning Norwegian Government after the German surrender, and put on trial. Even after everything he had facilitated and encouraged with the Nazies he claimed that he was actually “defending” Norway during the War and should be found innocent. Instead, Norway briefly re-introduced the death penalty (especially for him and his Nazi friends) and was promptly shot.

I feel that Trump is a Quisling. He will sell even his own supporters down the river if it benefitted him, and if he was in Quisling’s shoes back then, I am certain he would do the same as he did. Two hated losers, who draped themselves in their nation’s flag as a cloak to inflate their own sense of importance.

I’m not suggesting that Trump also share Quisling’s fate, but the rage of the returning Oslo Government underlines an attitude I wish Washington would have with Trump. He should never be anywhere near a public office again. Quisling forfeited his life for what he did, but Trump should at least forfeit any right to run again.