What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

The problem with having a user on ignore, as I have done, is that it only takes one reply to then be subjected to their drivel once more. It was the same flaw back before the move to Vanilla software; I wish Ignore was absolute and it blanked out quoted posts too. It wouldn't have been that hard either.

You've hit upon the key problem that always makes this debate stumble: if the other person rejects the idea there is racism - look, Obama got elected President! etc - then the segue is on a hiding to nothing because fundamentally there's no getting around the fallacy that provable systemic issues with race in America don't exist ... ergo, the BLM protests are just thugs destroying America & so whatever narrative surrounded the intent gets ignored in favour of "look at the urban scum doing what urban scum do".

If the argument is to reduce things down to dollar amounts of damage, then you can clearly see this is a fallacy and abject rejection of reality. Apparently insurrections are OK if they don't muss the carpets.

Also worth pointing out that it also doesn't help that America - or rather, one part of it - steadfast refuses to engage in any kind of retroactive analysis of its own past behaviour at the macro or micro level. You see it with the refusal to discuss reparations for slavery (it's so long ago now, get over it!), or the angry Conservative movement to denounce or outright ban Critical Race Theory (it's racist against Whites!).

The smallest suggestion that American slavery was endemic, institutional and - in some cases - a net negative receiving a gigantic pushback with greater and louder stubbornness. I only recently learned that not only did America continue slavery for 80 years after it was outlawed, the number of slaves in America grew by millions; there was a literal breeding business in some setups. Or how the "father of gynaecology" made his discoveries by operating without consent on slaves. Until parts of white America are willing to get to grips with the repugnancy of their past, the country will never move on.

Plus It's a Quiet Part, Loud mentality; if you harbour a belief that black people are angry and violent at their core, the BLM riots are just Confirmation Bias writ large. Let's call a spade a spade there as well.