Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The people who left Gaza last week were some Irish passport holders who were in Gaza before it was cut off. They were not hostages, held by Hamas.

A post thanked multiple times that contains complete inaccuracies.

Israel was not given “the worst land in the region”

Israel is not even one of the wealthiest countries in the region, never mind the world.

Don’t let prejudice and stereotypes blind you to reality.

I agree. It is disgusting that Hamas are using them as a human shield and, to a lesser extent, disgusting that Israel are treating them as collateral damage. The overwhelming responsibility for the civilian deaths in Gaza lies with Hamas. They are the authors and instigators of this round of death. They have sunk to a new level of barbarity.

Did you miss the bit where we have a poster demanding such evidence from them, else they deny such atrocities occurred? Strange you seem oblivious to the Hamas defenders on the thread who have engaged in such tactics over the course of it.

Do you really believe that Hamas videoed themselves burning civilians to death. Have you seen or heard about these videos or read about them online or in newspapers? Where?

So no “Hamas terrorists burning civilians on camera with glee”.

Do pathologists tell us if the fire was started by Israeli forces or Hamas forces?

A poster claimed to have seen videos of Hamas burning civilians to death “with glee”. No videos exist of Hamas burning people to death.

Why deny that?

There's videos of atrocities which were shown to the media which encompass burning civilians to death eg

The footage that the Israeli military showed foreign correspondents Monday included a photo of a burnt baby. It showed gunmen shooting the dead bodies of civilians in cars, militants in the process of beheading a body with a hoe, burnt corpses thrown in a dumpster.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-attack-military-war-a8f63b07641212f0de61861844e5e71e

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/18/israel/palestine-videos-hamas-led-attacks-verified

There's also footage of Hamas celebrating those atrocities.

There was horrific footage live streamed, viewed by posters on the thread, and attested to on the thread, of the beheading attack on a civilian. Footage which you know cannot be shared directly here.

You know all this, and yet "Why deny that?" Yet you did.

Why deny that indeed?

And yet, beside the abundant posts questioning posters who claim Hamas have committed atrocities, where are the posts challenging claims of alleged Israeli atrocities? So there can be no neutral pretence of "just the facts" can there?

So "why deny that"?

Plainly and obviously, it is to defend Hamas.

The poster said they had watched a video of Hamas burning civilians to death with glee.

No such video exists. It’s not difficult to grasp.

The 47 minute video montage shown to the press, which I have seen, shows burnt bodies, not who burnt them. We know Israeli forces attacked houses and vehicles with tanks and helicopter hellfire missiles. If you want to know what effect these have look at some footage of the toad of death from Kuwait during the Gulf War and compare it to footage from October 7th.

Bit surprised Hamas would let some hostages go for just about a three day cease fire and then Israel will just go hard again .

Looks like he has been turned back to the dark side. He was talking quite well lately.

These are the scum you defend with your tactics here:

The latest footage was an unceasing display of horrors. Some of it came from Hamas body cameras and videos posted by Hamas militants to social media and later verified by Israel. Some was taken by civilians as they tried to escape, some by first responders. It showed bodies of people who had been bound. A room with at least seven bodies reduced to ash. Civilians shot in bedrooms, bathrooms, front yards. Blood so thick it nearly obscured hallway floors.

Dozens of militants in trucks whooped and celebrated on Israeli roads as bodies and cars burned around them.

But no, for SafeSurfer we must have actual footage of a Hamas scum terrorist killing a civilian, setting them alight and whooping with glee before they will believe it.

These are not the tactics of someone interested in the truth, these are the actions of someone out to obscure the crimes of Hamas scum terrorists. And in doing so, gives succour to them to commit further atrocities.

Again, post any unlinked quotes you want and I’m not going to continue with this but the claim was that a poster had seen footage that doesn’t exist. Believe them but don’t ask me for evidence of the video of three IDF soldiers burning seven Palestinian teenagers to death in Gaza. Is that fair enough?