Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The poster said they had watched a video of Hamas burning civilians to death with glee.

No such video exists. It’s not difficult to grasp.

The 47 minute video montage shown to the press, which I have seen, shows burnt bodies, not who burnt them. We know Israeli forces attacked houses and vehicles with tanks and helicopter hellfire missiles. If you want to know what effect these have look at some footage of the toad of death from Kuwait during the Gulf War and compare it to footage from October 7th.

Bit surprised Hamas would let some hostages go for just about a three day cease fire and then Israel will just go hard again .

Looks like he has been turned back to the dark side. He was talking quite well lately.

These are the scum you defend with your tactics here:

The latest footage was an unceasing display of horrors. Some of it came from Hamas body cameras and videos posted by Hamas militants to social media and later verified by Israel. Some was taken by civilians as they tried to escape, some by first responders. It showed bodies of people who had been bound. A room with at least seven bodies reduced to ash. Civilians shot in bedrooms, bathrooms, front yards. Blood so thick it nearly obscured hallway floors.

Dozens of militants in trucks whooped and celebrated on Israeli roads as bodies and cars burned around them.

But no, for SafeSurfer we must have actual footage of a Hamas scum terrorist killing a civilian, setting them alight and whooping with glee before they will believe it.

These are not the tactics of someone interested in the truth, these are the actions of someone out to obscure the crimes of Hamas scum terrorists. And in doing so, gives succour to them to commit further atrocities.

Again, post any unlinked quotes you want and I’m not going to continue with this but the claim was that a poster had seen footage that doesn’t exist. Believe them but don’t ask me for evidence of the video of three IDF soldiers burning seven Palestinian teenagers to death in Gaza. Is that fair enough?

Are you going to qualify that. Once this batch of hostages have been released or all hostages including bodies of hostages who have been killed?

The poster may well have seen raw footage on social media before it was taken down, which is worse than what has been released. There is sufficient evidence in what has been provided to determine that Hamas committed atrocities against civilians, including beheadings, maiming and burning, as well as executions. Gleefully so, as the celebratory footage attests.

And quotes were not 'unlinked'. They were from the articles linked above, in a direct reply to your post. Demonstrates you don't even look at the evidence provided. At any point, you are free to look for some of this yourself online but nope... Any excuse to post defending Hamas.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390564/#Comment_121390564

Whatever about the semantics of my post, the fact that you're openly throwing out massive stereotypes is the problem.

Not only did Richard Boyd Barrett describe the man screaming Allahu Akbar at the top of his lungs as a bit of "verbal argy bargy" he refused to condemn the October 7th terrorist attack despite being prompted to do so.

The man is an utter cretin like his fellow cretins in the Dáil.

If there are people doing it here, they must be a tiny minority. From what I can see, even most strong critics of Israel admit that the October 7th terrorist attacks happened and are no fans at all of Hamas.

If your bar for facts and “evidence” is “the poster may have seen” then that’s fine.

I have condemned the heinous, barbaric attack by Hamas many times. In a thread in which Palestinian numbers of dead are constantly questioned, dead Palestinian children are dismissed as “dolls” by both official IDF sources and posters here. Why are some claims which are clearly untrue accepted as fact, defended and if questioned, those questioning them labeled as Hamas supporters, conspiracy theorists etc?

Many claims have been made by the IDF and Israeli bombing apologists which have turned out to be completely false. The claim that there is a video of Hamas terrorists burning people to death is false. They may well have done so, but a poster claiming to have seen them doing so is not true.

The condemnations that had to be dragged out of you, always with reservations and whataboutery and ifs and buts and maybes?

Nope, you never trot this line of questioning out for claims of atrocities alleged against Israel, so the "bar of evidence" angle won't wash.

There is sufficient evidence to conclude that Hamas burned civilians, from the footage and other evidence available. Similarly, there is sufficient evidence to conclude they celebrated such acts.

That is the truth. Do you deny it?

So why muddy that with "just asking questions" about the ghoulish specifics of the atrocities and exactly what horrific acts were directly witnessed? Why someone would take such issue with the claim someone actually saw it plainly speaks to a different agenda.

And don't pretend this is done in some neutral stance, setting some bar for evidence, because it is just your posts defending Hamas in a way your posts never defend Israel.

Or maybe the real problem is what makes me throw out these stereotypes?

It is not fanciful, releasing the hostages ends Israel's justifications. That is why the EU have called for the unconditional release of the hostages from the very start. They know that if the hostages are released, that they can make Israel stop.

It should be long evident to you that Israel has used the Oct 7th attacks by Hamas as a means to justify its genocidal intent.

It has killed hostages held by Hamas (and also Israeli citizens during its response on Oct 7th) and has repeatedly shown little or no interest in entertaining the offers for hostage exchanges that Hamas has proposed.

Israel has no justification for much of its actions over the last 6 weeks, full stop and if and when this does come to an end, it should face charges for its actions in the same way Hamas participants should be held accountable for theirs.

I have close to no expectation that this will happen with respect to Israel and that is of course something they've known all along. They are a rogue state which is carrying out a genocide.