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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    I agree. It is disgusting that Hamas are using them as a human shield and, to a lesser extent, disgusting that Israel are treating them as collateral damage. The overwhelming responsibility for the civilian deaths in Gaza lies with Hamas. They are the authors and instigators of this round of death. They have sunk to a new level of barbarity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did you miss the bit where we have a poster demanding such evidence from them, else they deny such atrocities occurred? Strange you seem oblivious to the Hamas defenders on the thread who have engaged in such tactics over the course of it.

    Do you really believe that Hamas videoed themselves burning civilians to death. Have you seen or heard about these videos or read about them online or in newspapers? Where?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,814 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So no “Hamas terrorists burning civilians on camera with glee”.

    Do pathologists tell us if the fire was started by Israeli forces or Hamas forces?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Ulixes


    They won't and aren't carpet bombing anywhere. Carpet bombing requires bombs and bombers. That's not what they are using. Stupid emotive and inaccurate language adds nothing to the discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A poster claimed to have seen videos of Hamas burning civilians to death “with glee”. No videos exist of Hamas burning people to death.

    Why deny that?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭rogber


    Read this article too, very sad and the plight of these people gets almost no attention. Absolute human rights abuses across the board by the Israelis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's videos of atrocities which were shown to the media which encompass burning civilians to death eg

    The footage that the Israeli military showed foreign correspondents Monday included a photo of a burnt baby. It showed gunmen shooting the dead bodies of civilians in cars, militants in the process of beheading a body with a hoe, burnt corpses thrown in a dumpster.

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-attack-military-war-a8f63b07641212f0de61861844e5e71e

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/18/israel/palestine-videos-hamas-led-attacks-verified

    There's also footage of Hamas celebrating those atrocities.

    There was horrific footage live streamed, viewed by posters on the thread, and attested to on the thread, of the beheading attack on a civilian. Footage which you know cannot be shared directly here.

    You know all this, and yet "Why deny that?" Yet you did.

    Why deny that indeed?

    And yet, beside the abundant posts questioning posters who claim Hamas have committed atrocities, where are the posts challenging claims of alleged Israeli atrocities? So there can be no neutral pretence of "just the facts" can there?

    So "why deny that"?

    Plainly and obviously, it is to defend Hamas.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    The US and Israel have said a ceasefire deal is on the horizon for release of the hostages.

    Once the hostages at safe and home Israel must continue its operation and finish the job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The poster said they had watched a video of Hamas burning civilians to death with glee.

    No such video exists. It’s not difficult to grasp.

    The 47 minute video montage shown to the press, which I have seen, shows burnt bodies, not who burnt them. We know Israeli forces attacked houses and vehicles with tanks and helicopter hellfire missiles. If you want to know what effect these have look at some footage of the toad of death from Kuwait during the Gulf War and compare it to footage from October 7th.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    You are literally asking me to explain why Israel haven’t used nukes on Gaza.

    Call it sneering whatever you want, doesn’t take away from the fact it’s a ridiculous question and not an example of Israel’s moral high ground.

    However, since you persist. Here are a few, but not limited to reasons.

    * there is no benefit to nuking Gaza, it would ultimately destroy the land and parts of Israel with it along with murdering/poisoning their own. I’m sure you’ve heard or are aware of the effects of radiation?

    *without being flippant would be a terrible PR move

    *the use of nuclear weapons in this day and age would be a serious threat to international peace

    *Israel have never outwardly admitted it had nuclear capacity although it’s widely thought they do. If so the national atomic energy agency and nuclear inspections should be involved. They arent.

    *nuclear weapons are a last last last resort.

    *would be a serious violation of IHL and a war crime.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Bit surprised Hamas would let some hostages go for just about a three day cease fire and then Israel will just go hard again .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope, the merest hint of a mention of terrorist organisation Hamas committing atrocities and you are demanding a level of proof and footage and evidence you never look for when similar claims are made against Israel. It's not difficult to grasp - what your agenda is here.

    It is obvious it is done to defend Hamas, and you deny the atrocities committed by them and attested to in the articles I linked.

    Hamas gleefully celebrated the deliberate and wanton execution of civilians, regardless of age.

    Dozens of militants in trucks whooped and celebrated on Israeli roads as bodies and cars burned around them.

    That's from actual Hamas body cam footage.

    And still you defend them with these tactics.

    But sure, come back to us when you play this atrocity denial game when accusations are made against Israel.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like he has been turned back to the dark side. He was talking quite well lately.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Look, you can berate me all you want and make any accusations you want.

    It doesn’t change the fact that Hamas didn’t video themselves burning civilians to death as was claimed.

    If I claim to have seen a video of IDF soldiers gleefully burning Palestinians to death in Gaza will you accept that as fact or question it?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    These are the scum you defend with your tactics here:

    The latest footage was an unceasing display of horrors. Some of it came from Hamas body cameras and videos posted by Hamas militants to social media and later verified by Israel. Some was taken by civilians as they tried to escape, some by first responders. It showed bodies of people who had been bound. A room with at least seven bodies reduced to ash. Civilians shot in bedrooms, bathrooms, front yards. Blood so thick it nearly obscured hallway floors.

    Dozens of militants in trucks whooped and celebrated on Israeli roads as bodies and cars burned around them.

    But no, for SafeSurfer we must have actual footage of a Hamas scum terrorist killing a civilian, setting them alight and whooping with glee before they will believe it.

    These are not the tactics of someone interested in the truth, these are the actions of someone out to obscure the crimes of Hamas scum terrorists. And in doing so, gives succour to them to commit further atrocities.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    While I supported Israel’s right to respond to the Hamas attack, it’s been very clear for some time now that the price that is being paid, their minimal efforts to disrupt and destroy Hamas and the absolute no end in sight to this response, that an indefinite ceasefire needs to happen and discussions need to start.

    The displacement of 100,000s of people, homes destroyed and of course the many innocent lives lost on all sides, is incredibly sad- Hamas need to take responsibility for what has occurred but Israel now needs to come to the negotiation table - either side vowing death to the other side will never end this conflict



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Again, post any unlinked quotes you want and I’m not going to continue with this but the claim was that a poster had seen footage that doesn’t exist. Believe them but don’t ask me for evidence of the video of three IDF soldiers burning seven Palestinian teenagers to death in Gaza. Is that fair enough?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,083 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Once the hostages are released, Israel has no cause for just war and must stop.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Are you going to qualify that. Once this batch of hostages have been released or all hostages including bodies of hostages who have been killed?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,905 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah that act of theirs was rumbled a long time ago.

    Deny Hamas do any wrong because they didnt see it. I've never seen an ostrich therefore ostriches arent real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The poster may well have seen raw footage on social media before it was taken down, which is worse than what has been released. There is sufficient evidence in what has been provided to determine that Hamas committed atrocities against civilians, including beheadings, maiming and burning, as well as executions. Gleefully so, as the celebratory footage attests.

    And quotes were not 'unlinked'. They were from the articles linked above, in a direct reply to your post. Demonstrates you don't even look at the evidence provided. At any point, you are free to look for some of this yourself online but nope... Any excuse to post defending Hamas.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390564/#Comment_121390564

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,081 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    That's rather fanciful , oct 7th gifted Israel the chance to make a fairly large point in gaza and they are not even half finished yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,005 ✭✭✭circadian


    Whatever about the semantics of my post, the fact that you're openly throwing out massive stereotypes is the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Nobody has ever denied that the atrocities and barbarism of October 7th happened - it's not as if there is some counter narrative that that awful day and the numerous murders of innocent civilians didn't happen.

    But that does not give Israel the right either to go into Gaza on a mission of genocidal revenge (and trying to dress it up as doing it for 'security' reasons).



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,801 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Not only did Richard Boyd Barrett describe the man screaming Allahu Akbar at the top of his lungs as a bit of "verbal argy bargy" he refused to condemn the October 7th terrorist attack despite being prompted to do so.

    The man is an utter cretin like his fellow cretins in the Dáil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,352 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes, it is being denied, on this thread via "just asking questions" tactics and by conspiracy theory trolls elsewhere on social media.

    There were posts on this thread insinuating the whole operation was a false flag attack by Israel.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If there are people doing it here, they must be a tiny minority. From what I can see, even most strong critics of Israel admit that the October 7th terrorist attacks happened and are no fans at all of Hamas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Hamas also need to be clear to the world on their future intent though- it works both ways - I see a lot of finger pointing at Israel and rightfully so over the last couple of weeks- but Hamas can’t go back to their terrorist ways either



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