Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Are you going to qualify that. Once this batch of hostages have been released or all hostages including bodies of hostages who have been killed?

The poster may well have seen raw footage on social media before it was taken down, which is worse than what has been released. There is sufficient evidence in what has been provided to determine that Hamas committed atrocities against civilians, including beheadings, maiming and burning, as well as executions. Gleefully so, as the celebratory footage attests.

And quotes were not 'unlinked'. They were from the articles linked above, in a direct reply to your post. Demonstrates you don't even look at the evidence provided. At any point, you are free to look for some of this yourself online but nope... Any excuse to post defending Hamas.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390564/#Comment_121390564

Whatever about the semantics of my post, the fact that you're openly throwing out massive stereotypes is the problem.

Not only did Richard Boyd Barrett describe the man screaming Allahu Akbar at the top of his lungs as a bit of "verbal argy bargy" he refused to condemn the October 7th terrorist attack despite being prompted to do so.

The man is an utter cretin like his fellow cretins in the Dáil.

If there are people doing it here, they must be a tiny minority. From what I can see, even most strong critics of Israel admit that the October 7th terrorist attacks happened and are no fans at all of Hamas.

If your bar for facts and “evidence” is “the poster may have seen” then that’s fine.

I have condemned the heinous, barbaric attack by Hamas many times. In a thread in which Palestinian numbers of dead are constantly questioned, dead Palestinian children are dismissed as “dolls” by both official IDF sources and posters here. Why are some claims which are clearly untrue accepted as fact, defended and if questioned, those questioning them labeled as Hamas supporters, conspiracy theorists etc?

Many claims have been made by the IDF and Israeli bombing apologists which have turned out to be completely false. The claim that there is a video of Hamas terrorists burning people to death is false. They may well have done so, but a poster claiming to have seen them doing so is not true.

The condemnations that had to be dragged out of you, always with reservations and whataboutery and ifs and buts and maybes?

Nope, you never trot this line of questioning out for claims of atrocities alleged against Israel, so the "bar of evidence" angle won't wash.

There is sufficient evidence to conclude that Hamas burned civilians, from the footage and other evidence available. Similarly, there is sufficient evidence to conclude they celebrated such acts.

That is the truth. Do you deny it?

So why muddy that with "just asking questions" about the ghoulish specifics of the atrocities and exactly what horrific acts were directly witnessed? Why someone would take such issue with the claim someone actually saw it plainly speaks to a different agenda.

And don't pretend this is done in some neutral stance, setting some bar for evidence, because it is just your posts defending Hamas in a way your posts never defend Israel.

Or maybe the real problem is what makes me throw out these stereotypes?

It is not fanciful, releasing the hostages ends Israel's justifications. That is why the EU have called for the unconditional release of the hostages from the very start. They know that if the hostages are released, that they can make Israel stop.

It should be long evident to you that Israel has used the Oct 7th attacks by Hamas as a means to justify its genocidal intent.

It has killed hostages held by Hamas (and also Israeli citizens during its response on Oct 7th) and has repeatedly shown little or no interest in entertaining the offers for hostage exchanges that Hamas has proposed.

Israel has no justification for much of its actions over the last 6 weeks, full stop and if and when this does come to an end, it should face charges for its actions in the same way Hamas participants should be held accountable for theirs.

I have close to no expectation that this will happen with respect to Israel and that is of course something they've known all along. They are a rogue state which is carrying out a genocide.

And there are others who throw the fog of October 7th over the decades of atrocities carried out by Israel. This didn’t start on October 7th, the most surprising thing is that anyone is surprised it happened.

Mass murdering civilians in revenge isn’t war either, it’s a holocaust.

I condemned Hamas, without reservation, without qualification, without equivocation, multiple times. So at least be honest.

You speak of muddying the waters. The claim was that a poster had seen a video, that no one else has ever claimed existed or to have claimed to have seen. That’s evidence enough for you. Fine.

The principle of what can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence only applies to posters you disagree with. Fine.

You won't find a single post of mine excusing Hamas' behaviour. You know this, stop pretending I have done so. I have made posts saying that it is reasonable for Israel to pursue them in various ways including using Mossad to 'neutralise' its leaders. How much more acknowedlgement do you want from me beyond what I've said about Hamas's actions being horrific, and unacceptable?

There absolutely is clear evidence of Israel committing war crimes. But you can relax, they will not be held accountable. And Israel's PM shown a map at the UN of the 'new middle east region' with Palestine completely removed, he has since spoken of bibilical guidance to justify the killing of all Palestinians. These are facts.

I presume when you talk about the unconditional release of hostages, you are including the thousands of Palestinians held without charge in Israeli prisons?

I see Hamas as a terrorist organization, I have been clear about this since I first posted. You will have to construct a different strawman if you think you can challenge any support for them coming from my direction.

If oct 7 happened here I would wish the purps to suffer greatly

Do Palestinians have the right to self defense under international law ?