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Protecting yourself against the impending Sinn Fein "Wealth" grab

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, we need a long term cross party approach to housing, similar to our plan on healthcare, but best of luck with actually trying to achieve that! housing is locked down, vested interests are firmly in control, virtually unbreakable, and yup, we have an extremely serious capacity problem, in regards actual building....so this decade is fcuked in regards resolving it!.....and if you think sf are bad, wait till the right nut jobs turn up after them!



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's an interesting question as to who or what will come after them. There's a good chance that they'll get turfed out after one, or max two terms in government, when it becomes clear that they don't have all the answers and solutions to making things happen.

    So what happens next - a lurch to the right or hard right in response, or a move back to the centre?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yea, the expectations are simply too great, no government can achieve what needs to be done, in the time frame expected, and you can be damn sure sf's lack of experience wont help them, thats if they can even form a government, theres some serious storms ahead.....

    ...lurch to the far right id say, like many other countries, established parties are in trouble for a while, until they slink off and do some deep soul searching.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    More than 40 years....40 years ago was only 1983...some would be of the opinion they and their military wing ( Armalite in one hand and ballot box in the other as I think Danny Morrison admitted ) were doing damage to the economy long before 1983. I seem to remember they supported the kidnapping and murder of some industrialists and businessmen from overseas who came to invest, planting bombs, destroying tourism, hitting "economic" targets etc etc.

    I am afraid that if they (SF) get in, it will be impossible to get them out again even after a term or two in office, as they will have such a grip on the media etc etc. Critics will be silenced. Look around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...the world has moved on, again, sf have a serious government formation problem, they may not be able to get much further than that, even if they do, whatever government is formed, will be a very unstable one, and will very likely be propped up with ff and co. the world moves much quicker now, people demand change immediately, and even thats too slow, so whoever ends up in government, will find themselves on the street quicker than yea think, political instability has begun!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not sure if the other "National Socialist" movements overseas that SF has admired or co-operated with down through the years are / have been that easily displaced.

    Some people would be of the opinion that if a party uses "excessive" lawfare before they are even in power, what would they be like in power?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...the majority is over, for now anyway, sf wont be blocking the place, just like the other lads have for the last 100 years, we re in a radically new era in politics, globally, instability has begun.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It's a bit sly to imply that SF are Fascist.

    If you don't know you did it then you don't know much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,748 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Happy to do so openly. They have all the characteristics of a fascist party from the whiteshirts marching at funerals to the control of the parliamentary party by a cabal in Belfast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    They have none of the characturists of Fascists. More hysteria.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hannaho


    Given that SF may get into government, my ppr has gone salw agreed. I have two other properties, one rented and one a holiday home. I will be working in UK for next 4 years and wondering whether to buy there rather than here given the possible risks of Sinn Fein government. I had been planning to downs8xe to an apartment here and keep renting in UK just returning every second weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Property prices have been in steady decline in the UK for the last year. The UK is no place to be sinking money since the Tories truly have destroyed the British economy.

    It seems highly unlikely that Labour will cure the damage 10year of austerity and Brexit has caused. They will get into power simply because they are not Tory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    We get a lot of propaganda in this country against the British, but this year, and last time I looked, they were not and are not in recession, where is we are in recession are even Germany the powerhouse of the EU is in recession.

    Even when you look at unemployment, Unemployment in the UK is less than the Eurozone average, standing at 4% in May 2023 compared to 6.4% in the euro area. 

    Things are not great in Britain but they are worse in the EU, especially since their second biggest net contributor (the UK ) left.

    Back to the point of this thread, if Greece can seizes 500,000 Bank Accounts worth Euro 1.6 Bln - and the EU did not stop them - what is to stop SF doing the same - or more - to please their voters, when the sh*t hits the fan? I think the previous poster is prudent in looking overseas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    House prices are falling under sustained high interest rates. Earnings are falling relative to costs. The UK is in a terrible state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    .....jesus, the delusion is strong in this one! everyone knows, brexit has been a terrible idea, and is doing great damage to the uk economy, and its greater society, theyre in serious trouble! the eu will bounce back a hell of a lot quicker than the uk, the uk is in for decades of pain....

    ...once again, an sf majority is not going to happen, theyre gonna have to pony up with ff, and others, in order to form a government, and they may not simply make it out of the negotiation stages, leading us possible towards another ffg lead government, or maybe even a hung dail, these are the most likely outcomes of the next ge, so........relax!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Anyone who thinks the UK is a safe haven for wealth is delusional



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The UK is the sixth-largest national economy in the world measured by nominal gross domestic product (GDP). And unlike us and Germany, it is not in recession.

    You really think that wealth here - be it holiday homes or large bank accounts or whatever - will be safer here if / when SF gets in to power and need to find the money to please their power base, help pay the interest on our growing national debt etc? Especially if some of those multinationals leave half as quick as they left Cosgrave's web summit - which was extremely quick? Ireland has one of the highest per capita debt burdens in the world, around €44,250 per citizen. The burden of public debt for each person in Ireland was around €8,000 higher than the euro area average in 2022.

    Please answer the question: if Greece can and did seize many Bank Accounts - and the EU did not stop them - what is to stop SF doing the same here? In total in Greece some 1.15 million people have been subjected to asset seizures, mostly money docked directly from their bank accounts.

    If things got tough in the economy ( a few years ago we did not think prices would increase so much or we would have close to a dozen interest rate increases ), or say some multinationals stopped paying so much tax in Ireland for whatever reason, do you think the SF voter base would object if SF seized bank balances over 100,000, or seized holiday homes "on a temporary basis" "for the common good", or whatever?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The pound has been on a steady downward trajectory for the last few years so any money held in Stirling is depreciating.

    My wife inherited money last year and we wanted to leave it in Stirling, but the slide of the pound made that a very unwise move so we moved it all into Euro's.

    GDP is not a particularly good metric for what is going on in the UK, there is a practical stop on inward investment and a flight of capitol. Productivity continues to decline as investment in new production technology isnt happening.

    It's just madness to think that the UK is a safe haven. There is also a very high probability that the rise in absolute poverty will trigger a wave of civil unrest similar to what we saw at the end of the Thatcher era. It's a very unstable country and it's very difficult to predict where it will end.

    If they are lucky Starmer will come to his senses and attempt some sort of reintegration into the EU but already billions worth of damage has been done to the economy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and once again.....

    sf, may not be in government after the next ge, for the reasons outlined! ...and even if they are, ff will be keeping them in check, so, relax, the world is not about to end!

    ...none of the three main parties here have plans to significantly increase wealth taxes such as property taxes, so again, relax!!!

    ...record corporate taxes looks set to continue, so......

    .....an sf lead government wont chase them away, due to this, they ll rock in behind current oecd agreed tax policies, i.e. mnc's aint going anywhere, actually dont be surprised of an increase in fdi!

    ... andagain, debt, including and in particular in the public domain, isnt necessarily a bad thing, as opposed to credit based debt, as its simply debt not in the private domain, its common for governments to simply role these debts indefinitely, this is much harder to do in the private domain, its also very difficult for governments in advanced economies to default on these debts, so rollie pollie! oh and credit based debt is primarily being used to simply (re)inflate the value of assets such as property and land, which in turn causes all sorts of dysfunctional economic and social outcomes....

    ...oh and public debt, is actually just the public entity of our money supply, again, as opposed to the private entity of our money supply, i.e. credit, of which its problems have been explained....public debt generally ends up in the bank accounts in the private domain, as its spent into the economy, providing businesses with critically needed liquidity, this was demonstrated very well during covid, as most counties moved towards deficit spending....so everyone really does win!

    ...ffs, seriously, stop catastrophising, a sf lead government will need lead to the end of the world, has the world come to an end after other countries recent radical changes, seriously! again, sf may not be able to form a government, so.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Lol. I'm sure the  1.15 million people in Greece who have been subjected to asset seizures were also plamassed off before that happened / did not think it would happen.

    I'm sure Paddy Cosgrove did not think Intel, IBM, Google, VW, Meta etc would not pull out of his web summit at the last minute because of his leftie stance / comments, but go they did, in a heartbeat.

    If a coalition of the so called left in this country got in to power, do you really think they would signal ahead of an election that they were going to significantly increase property tax, seize bank balances over 100,000 (like happened elsewhere), seize holiday homes "on a temporary basis" "for the common good" etc? If they needed the money for the projects they have been proming their power base, do you not think their power base would approve of that?

    Its a no brainer. No wonder accountants here in Ireland have been telling landlords to sell up etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Accountants have been telling landlords to sell up because interest rates are such that there is no longer a decent profit in been a landlord - nothing to do with SF.

    Greece was carrying so much debt and generating so little GDP that they could no longer service their debt after the 2008 crash. It's a chronically mismanaged economy which would have previously crashed the currency, entered dictatorship and started over with a new currency it then debased. The comparison to Ireland is hysterical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    From reading this thread a lot on here seem to think it’s a forgone conclusion SF will get into government.

    The main reason for this being the housing crisis I imagine.

    When the building sector hits 30k units this year on top of interest rates bottoming out at current rates- surely people will come to their senses and realise house prices are coming into line?

    Only a FFG government if re elected will then encourage LL back into the market so that rents will drop as more rental properties come online.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Does this mean that the shinners are planning to divest themselves of their UK property portfolio which they built up using the income from their bank robberies, smuggling, fuel laundering and protection rackets 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and those folks are gonna be very upset if an sf government doesnt happen, 25 is gonna be a shaky year for us, government formation talks post ge are clearly gonna be very difficult, and more than likely prolonged.....

    ...nobody truly knows how to move beyond this 30k celling, nobody! i.e. we is in serious trouble regarding capacity....

    ...ffg's approach is clearly largely financialised based, i.e. lets keep the recovery going! i.e. lets doing everything possible to keep rents and property prices inflated!

    ...ie. we re stuck!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,457 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    There were/are plenty of those sock puppet accounts on boards too by the way, but you are of course correct.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    That assumes that their leadership are capable and intelligent, not just cute and manipulative.

    We don't even know the identities of all the governing army council who call the shots.

    Given they rely on at most a half dozen spokespeople and most of the rest of the Parliamentary Party struggle to read a prepared script I'm doubtful!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Nobody should be better off on welfare.

    I am sick of this crap. Theres a lot of people out there with no sense of self-worth, or a desire to better themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,318 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...or maybe available employment simply doesnt pay enough, and/or doesnt work for various different reasons, for some, ive met many in this situation, in order for them to have some sort of balanced life, with kids etc, unemployment is virtually theyre only option, particularly when considering child care etc!

    ...yes mental health issues are extremely common for those on welfare, particularly long term, this is exactly what happens to humans when they have no hope in life, and/or feel they have none, i.e. no options in life, i.e. self esteem plummets!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Er, no, you have got it wrong yet again.



    And most accountants, privately, off the record, will put it to their clients much more strongly than that, and be certain to sell Irish assets, take definitive action - just in case - and it is not a foregone conclusion - SF get in to power. They know if they did get in to power they would significantly increase property tax, possibly - when the s*it hits the fan seize bank balances over 100,000 (like happened elsewhere), seize holiday homes "on a temporary basis" "for the common good" etc?

    If they needed the money for the projects they have been promising their power base, and if there was a downturn in tax from multinationals for whatever reason - do you not think their power base would approve of that ("the wealthy being taxed" / lose much of their wealth for "the common good")? It would be very surprising if that did NOT happen, according to a few accountants I know.

    The million plus savers in Greece did not think their government would take their money out of their bank accounts, but they did. And the EU did not do anything but stand idly by. "For the common good"... I can hear the words coming out of Mary Lou's and Pearse Doherty's mouth.

    It is far more certain to happen than I'm sure Paddy Cosgrove thought the likelihood that Intel, IBM, Google, VW, Meta etc would pull out of his web summit at the last minute because of his slightly leftie stance / comments, but go they did, in a heartbeat.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭taratee


    They are not going to have free reign. They'll have teams of civil servants around them who need to protect their jobs. If they do half of things that people are worried about on this thread, the country would be destroyed for generations, their UI would be dead in the water, and SF would be destroyed as a party. If they do get in, I think they'll evolve into a less talented version of FF.



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