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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s not really as highly populated as you imply - for much of the route there is significant population only on one side of the route. Personally I do however think it’s a bit on the low side.

    That is probably why the S6 and L25 are much more frequent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Hmmm. Im not sure about that. Its a very long route in terms of KMs and it goes through a lot of dense populated areas and employment centres.

    Time will tell, but I cam imagine the frequency not being sufficient from the get go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It is a long route, and it passes through Tallaght and terminates in Dún Laoghaire, but the middle section roughly from where it crosses the M50 as far as the N11 has relatively little population to the south, and from Monkstown to Dún Laoghaire the sea is effectively on the north side of the route, neither of which are densely populated, that was my point. The S6 and L25 go through far more densely populated areas.

    Frequency is higher than the 75 and 175, and the route taken on the eastern section from Sandyford to Dún Laoghaire has never had an orbital bus before.

    Employment centre wise, you have Citywest, Tallaght, Sandyford, the edge of Blackrock, and Dún Laoghaire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Not to mention the L25 being a much shorter route with a lower PVR than what the S8 would require.



  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭lateconnection


    It's a pity indeed that the S8 is not more frequent. Should be every 15 minutes and even every ten at peak hours. Weekend frequency is very poor too.

    Hopefully if the route is popular the frequency might be increased in time, provided the driver numbers are there of course. Hopefully it won't be too badly affected by Sandyford traffic in rush hour on the section between the M50 Dundrum exit and Sandyford, very busy stretch. Room for a bus lane though, with a bit of imagination.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Qrt


    Re: the end, good to know. Personally I hate relying on my phone for things so using my phone as a leap card would be my worst nightmare really, but everyone’s different. Different strokes etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Whenever a traffic collision takes place near the M50 at Sandyford; the 114 would sometimes be heavily affected with long delays in traffic jams during the peak times on weekdays. The hourly frequency on the route also does not help it when it's stuck in heavy traffic. At least the S8 is more far frequent along the 114 route during that period in the weekdays. A new bus route that is every 15 minutes during the peak times on weekdays is far more useful than having to stick with an older route which has such a bad frequency over the years.

    The more frequent service along that part of Dublin is also especially helpful when you are travelling with the S8 becoming available soon during the cold, long winter nights as opposed to brighter evenings in the summertime.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Just to point out, it isn’t even really phones we are talking about here, it is EMV contactless. Yes that can include Apple/Google/Samsung pay on a phone, but also payment via smart watch, exercise bands and of course contactless credit and debit cards.

    BTW if you don’t want to use your bank card, you could use a preloaded contactless debit card instead, it would act just like a Leap card. Revolut would be the best known one, but often the gift cards you buy in shopping centers are these too. They are just debit cards with the value preloaded on them. So in future you could use you One4All gift card to pay for the bus!!

    But from the presentations I’ve seen from the NTA, they clearly say Leap cards will continue. Which of course makes sense, if you think about it such cards will still be needed for free travel pass, child leap cards, young adult leap cards, monthly and annual travel cards, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭smilgy


    Perhaps somewhat off topic, but was wondering why there is still so many dublin buses in the old yellow and blue livery? Was in town yesterday and spotted a good few like that! Are buses being pulled out of storage as to facilitate new routes/higher frequencies?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Buses are being repainted as they fall due under the normal repainting cycle which is every four years.

    Currently buses registered in 2015 & 2019 are being repainted.

    With the new routes launching there are more older buses coming out of storage to facilitate them which won’t be repainted, pending the introduction of the new electric double decks over the coming months.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭smilgy




  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Are any more VTs due back into service?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I just want Donnybrook to get some back for the 46a/145 🥲



  • Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Might be of curiousity to some.

    Go-Ahead's arrangements from next Sunday will be as follows:

    • W2, W4, W61, W62 share their drivers but buses will keep to one road. Handovers in The Square or Hazelhatch station for the most part, actual breaks in the garage using staff cars;
    • S6 and S8 share their drivers but buses will keep to one road. Handovers largely in The Square, but some in Citywest, again actual breaks in the garage using staff cars;
    • S4 will be a standalone operationally route with handovers on the Long Mile Road (stops 2105 & 2181);
    • predictably enough from the timetable, the L55 will be a single bus with two drivers covering each other's breaks;
    • given the cancellation of the 17 and 75 (amongst other routes), the previously associated 114 and 161 have been moved to the Dun Laoghaire group of duties to join the 45A, 59 and 63. Mind you, driver swaps for the 114 will be in Ticknock now;
    • the cancellation of the 76/A has forced the 236/A to join the other Blanch locals (104+220+238+270+L51+L52) operationally. Also, 220 is probably the first route in Dublin to have two en-route handover points (145 doesn't count workings handing over in Bray and in Donnybrook are completely separate), as there are now breaks and duty starts/finishes on the 220 in Finglas, with Blanchardstown SC handovers still in place, although sans the break room in Carlton Hotel;
    • remaining schedules are as before: Airport 33A+33B+102, the N6 on its own, and the Bray 184+185+45A+111 duties.

    Go-Ahead has also been forced to revisit its duty numbering—before now, they used groups of 300s for each day type (Mon-Fri 000-299, Sat 300-599, Sun 600-899), but with the increase in service levels this wasn't enough, and now they are 1000s, 2000s, and 3000s resp, with the hundreds digits indicating the group of routes. This apparently has been the case for a good few months now, but this revision is the first time I could see the entire scheme for what it is.

    It's somewhat interesting to see that there is probably more new network than old network work in Go-Ahead now, at least in terms of mileage as there are still more old routes, but a lot of them are less frequent than the BC work there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Daith


    The 220 is still going, huh. It's such an insane route with weird detours around parts of Ballymun and Finglas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s one of those bus routes that serves numerous communities along the way. No one would use it end to end but plenty of people use it for short local hops to the shops etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Daith


    Oh yeah it's just one of those magical mystery buses at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    I'm honestly surprised it wasn't culled with the introduction of Phase 3 (N4/N6). Suspect it's going to remain hanging around until the B-spine and Blanch locals in what is probably going to be 2029 at this rate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The TFI Live app has the new Phase 5b BusConnects routes in it. The timetables have not been added yet.

    The new Dublin Bus routes seem largely fine with how they display the destinations for the routes in the app.

    However; Go-Ahead Ireland have them written like this in the app.

    S6 Blackrock Station - The Square

    S8 Dún Laoghaire - Kingswood Avenue

    L55 Glenaulin - Hollyville Avenue.

    However the S4 is listed as Liffey Valley SC - UCD for the route which is fine.

    They still have that consistent issue with issuing the wrong destination names for the new BusConnects routes which would cause issues with people using them on a daily basis. It's ridiculous to still see GAI continue in this confusion in how they put in a poor effort before they have them out for passenger service.

    Dublin Bus still are the top boys in the class in how they display their routes to the public.

    GAI's strategy in how they display their new routes to the public is still absolutely pathetic.

    Meanwhile; the new booklets for the routes have been distributed to houses around Newtownpark Avenue and other parts of Blackrock earlier this morning. The physical booklet for the new routes from TFI looks great. The pages look the same as the digital copy. The foldable map inside the physical booklet is very nice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭thomasj


    The 220 has been known to do well at times of the day between blanch sc and hartstown , particularly when there's been gaps between 39/as. I've been on it at times where the bus has been packed, albeit as a single decker.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Qrt


    id love to know who’s organising the leaflet drops…second phase and nothing in our way despite a bus route being removed



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Hypothetically can you just get on a Dublin bus and stay on it all day?

    Or could you get on a 24hour Night Bus and just ride around all night?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭john boye


    Should probably just become a driver if that's what you want to do



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭orangerhyme




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    At a terminus driver would look the screens/mirrors if there's any person left. If I'm not wrong, there's a recommendation to not leave the cabin if there's a person who hasn't left a bus and report it to the controllers. Not sure how often drivers check a bus for trash etc: at each terminus or not. However, I did notice that Dublin city buses are significantly cleaner than they used to be just a few years ago in 2019 and after the lockdowns. Not sure if drivers check buses mire often or more cleaners got hired.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Happens on the 39A. They get the bus out to a certain stage , get off cross the road and then get on the next one on the other side



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Do they pay their fare? Do they wear clothes which realistically leave a dirt on seats? Do they look intoxicated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG




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  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Another interesting thing is that they've apparently got a lot of duties - across all rosters - that involve drivers bringing cars, rather than buses, to and from Ballymount. Presumably, this is to avoid the constant issue they have with buses getting delayed on the M50 in the afternoons, which results in an empty yard and a giant queue of drivers waiting for buses.



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