Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make here.

Hopefully, the deal will hold up and will pave the way for all the hostages taken on October 7th to be released.

Pity there was little to no marching in the streets for them, but anyhow..

Once they are released, the IDF can and should continue the war against Hamas.

As an aside, would people be happy to send Irish peacekeepers to Gaza under the UN?

It seems no one in the international community wants to touch it, ironic considering all the virtue signalling going on about it.

Note the quotation marks. Its got all the hallmarks of Nazi ideology just directed elsewhere. You cannot deny that those quotes from Israeli government officials use the same language as 1930's Germany, can you?

You need me to explain specifically how America gains with respect to the message below? Seriously?

Maybe take some time and look in to the awarding of contracts in Irag 20 years ago and the statements post war as to what the focus was.

I agree and I think that the behaviour of Israel is disgraceful. I question the motives of those who only criticise Israel. While it is behaving very badly there are other countries doing worse as we speak and not a word is said. Why is that?

A major reason why most people are talking about it is because Israel is a Jewish state.

And this is proven by the fact that most people don't talk about the same conduct when carried out by new-Jewish actors, in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world, as @Ulixes has documented.

There is no question therefore a major reason for the increase in 'volume' is because of anti-semitism.

And also, lazy one-sided comparisons to Nazis which border on anti semitic race baiting, which diminish what the Nazis actually did and tried to do to Jewish people.

Maybe take some time to read up on the Marshall Plan. Maybe look at who the biggest donor to the UN's World Food Programme is. Then take a look at the World Bank (and please don't be one of those people who thinks that's all some sort of Capitalist conspiracy).

A massive reason for this is because so many people are aware of the continued persecution of Palestinians over decades by Israel.

A lot of the protests worldwide have been led by indigenous people who are all to familiar with the experience of seeing your land occupied, or taken from under you with the death and suffering that goes along with that.

The funding Israel enjoys from the US and the support it enjoys from many large and influential countries means that this conflict is viewed differently than many conflicts that appear to be between comparatively equal parties (note I said many, not all). Given the history of the Jewish people, to see them behaving as they are doing, it is particularly noteworthy for lots of observers, leading them to get involved more in the discussion around the conflict.

Finally, all this aside, what have you done to initiate discussions on alternative conflicts. Anyone can start a thread on a topic here on Boards or elsewhere? Why are you always asking why others aren't discussing other conflicts, when you don't appear to be doing so either?

You didn't condemn the Israeli people in the video who were cheerleading for the incineration of Gaza or the numerous vile statements from the far right nationalists about Palestinians in Gaza. What can we conclude from this? Oh right you don't have to preface every comment with condemnation of these sorts of people. Do you see the hypocrisy of your position? You call for other people to do what you are incapable of doing because you can't brook any criticism of Israel.

Ah yes, so instead of actually elaborating on your strange comparison of various genocides (is this justification? It'll be more like the Rohingya rather than Tutsi) then claims that because there's no Jews involved in those although I'm not sure how accurate that is considering the US, including Kissinger at least were happy to ignore the atrocities perputrated by the Khmer Rouge, "You should tell the Cambodians that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs but we won't let that stand in our way." https://gsp.yale.edu/case-studies/cambodian-genocide-program/us-involvement/united-states-policy-khmer-rouge-regime-1975

You decided to be condecending instead. Well done you.

Regardless, Kissinger, just like Israel, do not present for all Jews and any suggestion that people questioning and disputing the actions of Israel are doing so because the majority of those in power in Israel are Jewish is crude reductionism designed to stifle debate.

Tell me this, was the Bosnian genocide a genocide? Is that something you agree with? People killed en-masse, forcibly displaced and homes destroyed? 80,000 Bosniaks were killed during that, out of a population of 1,760,000 Bosniaks which is rougly 4.5% of their population and almost the entirety of the population displaced. That took place over 3 years.

As it currently stands, estimates in Gaza are over 75% of the population displaced, probably around 15,000 killed, most likely more once the rubble is cleared. That is 0.7% of their population killed in the space of about 6 and a half weeks. Following that week on week growth (we know this won't be the case with increasing risk of water bourne diseaes, starvation etc it will almost be parabolic within the next few weeks if nothing changes) after 3 years it would hit 15% of the Gazan population.

This is in the realms of hypothetical but the current rate of destruction, killing and displacement is on the path to genocide, just like your previous examples.

This has nothing to do with people being anti-semitic, anti-Jew or some other conspiracy and everything to do with watching a western aligned nation, one that people in the west would traditionally view as an ally, carrying out collective punishment after years of oppression and subjugation.

Were Hamas justified in what they done? No, of course not. Maybe people should consider the why behind it rather than being reactionaries. Questioning people not complaining about other atrocities is a non-arguement. Why are you posting in this thread and not posting about all these things? What is it about this situation you care so much about to be in here every day?

So you can take your condescension and take a long walk.

That poster has categorically stated, several times, that Israel should continue its actions until its mission is completed.

They are condoning rather than condemning when it comes to Israel.

It's only the Arabs that are terrorists and who need to be identified as such.

Are you denying there is anti-semitism behind some of the attacks, current and previous, on Israel and language used towards them?

How many of those countries were subjected to the kind of attacks Israel had been enduring from Hamas?

So "heap of bullshit" - right back at you.

Ethnic cleansing is not the policy of Israel, whatever dog whistling signals some officials are giving out, perhaps in large part messages intended for consumption by their enemies and not. The bark and bite are not the same.

Nor is merely 'ethnic cleasning' the reason why Nazis have gone down in history for what they did and attempted to do to Jews.

Either you are ignorant of the numerous such previous examples of ethnic cleaning or you deliberately skipped over them and chose the Nazi insult to cause maximum insult to Jews.

Reading comprehension and / or critical thinking seems to be an issue. Calling Israeli officials out for behaving like and using language like 1930s Germany does not say they are the same but are taking a similar path. They have a choice though and would expect they wont go anywhere near all the way down that path. But they are undeniably on the path.

Also, you say its dog whistles from some officials and not the policy of Israel. The actions over the past 6 weeks say otherwise. They say "we will turn gaza in a deserted island" and proceed to start levelling the place.

Also, the claim is Israel is an open liberal democracy. As such they should be accountable to the norms of civilised society, so forgive me for holding them to those standards.