"Green" policies are destroying this country

One thing I've been following is the Right to Repair movement over in the US. Interestingly it is being driven by the libertarian right rather than notional environmentalists.

Sinn Fein, the party that opposes everything but has no anwers

This is the party in their alternative budget said they would speed up the rollout of wind and solar. Yet they are blocking wind farms

Similar to their promises to resolve housing, yet continue to block housing.

Not many farmers I would classify as wasteful, most would squeeze the water out of the stones if they could

Yer partially right. Carbon tax has been levied, yet it hasn't made a dent in emissions. Look at the sales of fuel since it was introduced and the carbon tax has made no difference. People aren't making wholesale decisions based on this tax. I don't think you can correlate the rise in fertiliser prices to changing of behaviours due to higher costs such as the carbon tax, unless the carbon tax was driving prices sky high and making them unaffordable.

The change in fertiliser prices drove it to 3x it's usual price. At one point it was tipping €1k per ton and no matter what way you cut it, spending that doesn't grow more grass/crops vs. what it usually does. There was then a natural drop in sales. Then it was discovered that the mantra pushed by the likes of Teagasc wasn't exactly right, and by spreading less N, the same amount of grass grew. There was a carry over of unused N in the ground which helped. This year the weather wasn't suitable for spreading at various times it would be spread which would have suppressed usage too. Plus the suppression of output prices meant the same money wasn't available to buy fertiliser. In addition, there is more use of LESS, incentives to spread more lime and sow MSS and additional clover. All of these factors combined help reduce chemical N.

I think there'd be a rebound if fertiliser prices stabilise and output prices do too (or rise). There's no getting away from the fact that cheap chemical fertiliser is the cheapest way to increase produce. We're primarily taking about N here too and P&K sales may fluctuate more as soil indices are managed.

Point to note too that there is a direct link between fertiliser prices and food prices - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01166-w/figures/1

The Greens' attempt to tax us into carbon neutrality definitely isn't working yet. Must try harder in their remaining months in government.

The interesting part is the carbon tax has been around for years now, majority of increases not while the Green Party in government. Yet somehow people seem to think if the Green Party leave that it will suddenly disappear

Even the famous Sinn Fein have never said they will remove it, the big plan was just to delay increases but no actual plan about how or when they would increase but it was going to happen.

As you rightly say we will not see a big decrease till mass movement of people from cars to public transport etc. Big changes like that will only see it change.

Yes, if it's available online. Your link is paywalled. The Biz Post provides an "ESG briefing" as a free email digest. That's why I C&P'd it from there and provided attribution at the bottom.

Yes, that's what I said too. Your lot has only months left in government to do something about it, before they get booted out on their Aswan Dams.

Yeah, you'd almost think there might be a competence issue. It's fortunate that Ireland's efforts -- good, bad, or indifferent -- will make a zero percent difference to climate change.

Funny how anytime public transport is mentioned the same story is fired out about public transport. Seems every person on boards who doesn't support public transport can't come up with a better version of a story.

Anyway I had asked you do you think carbon taxes will disappear? not some imaginary story about public transport

It’s makey uppey stuff. Adds nothing to the thread because public transport is about mass movement of people, making up some random scenario means nothing in overall scheme

Best to say herd, not cows, I’m not on for cutting farming as I see loads of other issues before that

The reality is that only for the green revolution those carbon taxes would be callled something else. It just cynical Govt sucking the taxpayer dry under the cover of saving the environment. No wonder its sucessful when it has a merry band of dedicated supporters that will cheer lead every increase like a personal victory. It can be both exhausting and nauseating in equal measure at times